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[TV] The Traitors - BBC



Triggaaar

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I really hope Charlotte proposes Frankie goes with her as a duo to split the money. It's the only way either of them survive til the end and they'd probably cruise through the final if they do.

A traitor can't agree to split the money, they simply win it all.
 




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Freddie’s performance as a Traitor, summarised



He actually managed to be worse than Ross last year, which I didn’t think was possible
 


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Said for a while that I think Alexander is playing a clever game, I still think he is as his actions in giving Frankie the coins will, in my opinion, firm him up as a Faithful

Five minutes from the end of the episode tonight, Charlotte was home and hosed as the winner, now it’s all up for grabs
 


Gabbiano

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Said for a while that I think Alexander is playing a clever game, I still think he is as his actions in giving Frankie the coins will, in my opinion, firm him up as a Faithful

Five minutes from the end of the episode tonight, Charlotte was home and hosed as the winner, now it’s all up for grabs
Unfortunately Leanne is too thick for that, and Jake is in her pocket. They'll get rid of him as the numbers dwindle because "there's still doubts in my mind about you".
 


Triggaaar

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Freddie’s performance as a Traitor, summarised



He actually managed to be worse than Ross last year, which I didn’t think was possible


But he was completely stitched up from the start like we've never seen. Persuaded to murder someone with a shield so that he'd be incriminated.
 




Professor Plum

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Going against the nsc grain, I can’t warm to Charlotte at all, far from it. Perhaps I dislike ultra confident traitors. Armani and Linda too, loved it when they were booted out. Wilf in season 1 too.

Whereas Francesca, Alexander and Jake …. I like them.
Totally agree. All the traitors this series, apart from the hapless Freddie, have been unappealing characters.
 


Simster

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Jul 7, 2003
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I feel the Seer has ruined the game now.

Now that Frankie knows Charlotte is a traitor, the others will simply take Frankie's word for it and vote Charlotte out, and then maybe vote out Frankie just to be sure.
 






Couldn't Be Hyypia

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I feel the Seer has ruined the game now.

Now that Frankie knows Charlotte is a traitor, the others will simply take Frankie's word for it and vote Charlotte out, and then maybe vote out Frankie just to be sure.
Charlotte has one chance. They might not trust Frankie.

Charlotte suggests that FrankieIf and Alexander are traitors, who colluded to make sure Frankie became the Seer, thus protecting their secret.

Frankie then chooses Charlotte, an apparently known faithful, in order to accuse her of being a traitor.

Charlotte defends herself with the above theory. In those circumstances, Charlotte could be seen as a wrongly accused faithful, so Charlotte, Leanne (boo) and Jake banish Frankie and Alexander. Neither are able to declare as faithful.

Charlotte is hailed by the other two as a Traitor finder. They end the game, only to discover that Charlotte has taken the whole pot.

Which actually means, to be safe, as Simmster says, Leanne (boo) and Jake should also banish Charlotte. But they may not be that ruthless.
 


Uh_huh_him

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I feel the Seer has ruined the game now.

Now that Frankie knows Charlotte is a traitor, the others will simply take Frankie's word for it and vote Charlotte out, and then maybe vote out Frankie just to be sure.
No guarantee they will take Frankie's word for it.

Frankie could have been a traitor.
Charlotte's only hope is to try and convince everyone she told Frankie she was a faithful and Frankie is now lying to the group.
Therefore Frankie must be a traitor.

Jake might fall for it. Alexander won't. It's all down to Leanne.
Who might see this as an opportunity to guarantee a bigger cut of the money for herself.

Charlotte is manipulative enough to sow enough doubts to keep her in it for a little while yet.
 






Uh_huh_him

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Charlotte has one chance. They might not trust Frankie.

Charlotte suggests that FrankieIf and Alexander are traitors, who colluded to make sure Frankie became the Seer, thus protecting their secret.

Frankie then chooses Charlotte, an apparently known faithful, in order to accuse her of being a traitor.

Charlotte defends herself with the above theory. In those circumstances, Charlotte could be seen as a wrongly accused faithful, so Charlotte, Leanne (boo) and Jake banish Frankie and Alexander. Neither are able to declare as faithful.

Charlotte is hailed by the other two as a Traitor finder. They end the game, only to discover that Charlotte has taken the whole pot.

Which actually means, to be safe, as Simmster says, Leanne (boo) and Jake should also banish Charlotte. But they may not be that ruthless.
I have no doubt that Leanne is that ruthless.
She will Steal, if she's in the final 2.
 


Couldn't Be Hyypia

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I have no doubt that Leanne is that ruthless.
She will Steal, if she's in the final 2.
Agreed. She is a ruthless, self centered narcissist (well, has been edited to appear so) and, as brilliantly observed on here, has rampant Main Character Syndrome. She will assume that taking the pot is her destiny and will bin anyone else she can without a thought.

Proof that an idiot, who I don't think spotted any traitors, other than by voting with the pack, can win this show effectively by accident.
 


Uh_huh_him

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Agreed. She is a ruthless, self centered narcissist (well, has been edited to appear so) and, as brilliantly observed on here, has rampant Main Character Syndrome. She will assume that taking the pot is her destiny and will bin anyone else she can without a thought.

Proof that an idiot, who I don't think spotted any traitors, other than by voting with the pack, can win this show effectively by accident.
yeah - the only way the faithful win, is if the final two are Alexander and Frankie.
Leanne will keep on going.
 




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Agreed. She is a ruthless, self centered narcissist (well, has been edited to appear so) and, as brilliantly observed on here, has rampant Main Character Syndrome. She will assume that taking the pot is her destiny and will bin anyone else she can without a thought.

Proof that an idiot, who I don't think spotted any traitors, other than by voting with the pack, can win this show effectively by accident.
Blimey, that’s a bit harsh.
 


stewart12

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Minah f***ed up by recruiting Charlotte

Charlotte f***ed up by really unnecessarily throwing Freddie under the bus with the whole shield thing. There was absolutely no "heat" (as they say) on her at all until the round table but Freddie will have created enough doubt for them to not necessarily believe her when it's basically her vs Frankie

All the traitors have to do is get 2 of them to a final 3, vote the remaining faithful off in a 2-1 vote and split the guaranteed money. Still don't get why they always f*** each over so close to the end
 


ROSM

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Bluntly for those not in on the Seer they have 3 paths

- Believe frankie if she says charlotte is a traitor but banish them both anyway

- Believe charlotte when she says frankie is a traitor and is lying about her but banish them both to be safe oh and for good measure get rid of Alexander because, well they just have a feeling

- Think frankie is a traitor, and she picked chatlotte as she knew she is a traitor with the aim to throw her under the bus. In which case banish them both to be safe.

I can't see a path that benefits charlotte or frankie here unless the others are just plain dim (can't be ruled out)

Just frankies bad luck to win the Seer. And she may think that Alexander stitched her up by making her that.

It's pointing to a leanne /Jake showdown..will they share or shaft?
 


Simster

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Minah f***ed up by recruiting Charlotte

Charlotte f***ed up by really unnecessarily throwing Freddie under the bus with the whole shield thing. There was absolutely no "heat" (as they say) on her at all until the round table but Freddie will have created enough doubt for them to not necessarily believe her when it's basically her vs Frankie

All the traitors have to do is get 2 of them to a final 3, vote the remaining faithful off in a 2-1 vote and split the guaranteed money. Still don't get why they always f*** each over so close to the end
I'm not sure. Charlotte binned off Freddie exactly as planned. You can argue that maybe that wasn't the best strategy but that's the game you play when you make that call.

It's not really her fault that the programme makers have guilded the lily by providing this stupid Seer power. She hasn't got a chance now, despite people desperately playing out scenarios that might work out for her.

They've ruined the game. We will see it all confirmed tonight when Charlotte is voted out, either before or after Frankie, because there is no gullible Molly character to save her this time.
 




Professor Plum

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- Think frankie is a traitor, and she picked chatlotte as she knew she is a traitor with the aim to throw her under the bus. In which case banish them both to be safe.
So they'd have to think there were 4 traitors before Minah and Freddie got banished? No. That’s a non-starter.
 


Gwylan

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Charlotte really, really, really screwed up by choosing to 'murder' Leanne. Not only did it mean Freddie throwing shade on her but the numbers aren't in her favour.

She should have murdered Jake and then thrown suspicion on Alexander, who was probably already in the firing line. I suspect that the Seer would almost certainly pick Freddie, reveal he's a traitor and he'd be voted off. That would leave three people and they'd either finish there or vote Leanne off.

By having five people left at the end, Charlotte has made the odds against her
 


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