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Cheshire Cat

Cheshire Cat

The most curious thing..
Nov 4, 2006
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Sitting on a bough of a tree a few yards off...




Is it PotG?

Is it PotG?

Thrifty non-licker
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Sussex by the Sea
Cheshire Cat said:
That has to be the worst mug shot I have ever seen.
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Tiger's is GRRRRREEEEEAAAAAT

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Cheshire Cat

Cheshire Cat

The most curious thing..
Nov 4, 2006
12,020
Sitting on a bough of a tree a few yards off...


clapham_gull

clapham_gull

Legacy Fan
Aug 20, 2003
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Jackthelad said:
We have to be careful just talking about it on here but I want the big Islamic pink elephant question answered if there is any indication of that, as so many people seem to think there was.
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Which people ? Those close to the case, those who knew him ?

Have you read some people's nonsense on Twitter ?

There weren't any photographs from the court (really) and only a drawing.

He was covering his head so we couldn't see his long "muslim" beard.

The authorities were deliberately using a photograph of him as a child.

Is is those people you are referring to ?
 


Lady Whistledown

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jcdenton08 said:
He’ll die in prison and not have an easy time; he’ll be a marked man.
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I doubt it. He was- legally- a child when he committed the murders, so juvenile sentencing guidelines apply. Nothing has been raised to that effect so far.

Will be a life sentence, with a starting point of a minimum 12 years (this is only a starting point: there are various aggravating factors which will increase his minimum tariff, principally the pre-meditation & planning, the number of victims and the fact that most of them were young children).

Under current legislation, a 17 year old can't be given a whole life tariff, as dished out to the likes of Bellfield, Couzens, Adebolajo, Rose West etc.
 




jcdenton08

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Lady Whistledown said:
I doubt it. He was- legally- a child when he committed the murders, so juvenile sentencing guidelines apply. Nothing has been raised to that effect so far.

Will be a life sentence, with a starting point of a minimum 12 years (this is only a starting point: there are various aggravating factors which will increase his minimum tariff, principally the pre-meditation & planning, the number of victims and the fact that most of them were young children).

Under current legislation, a 17 year old can't be given a whole life tariff, as dished out to the likes of Bellfield, Couzens, Adebolajo, Rose West etc.
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He won’t be released while he’s deemed a threat to society. Given the severity and depravity of his crimes, it will be a massive sentence. They don’t need a “whole life tariff”. The CPS are currently appealing Sara Sharif’s murderer’s sentence of 40 years as being too lenient.
 


herecomesaregular

herecomesaregular

We're in the pipe, 5 by 5
Oct 27, 2008
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Reminds me of the Sandy Hook killer. Both seemingly autistic and a obsessive fixation / "special interest" (which can be common) which unfortunately in this case was... killing/mass murder. Then choosing the softest target they can find who cannot fight back, thus ensuring "success". An act/actor maybe as close to evil as can be. Thankfully extremely rare... but the question is, he was well known to "authorities" school/social services/police etc so how can this have been prevented?
 


jcdenton08

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herecomesaregular said:
Reminds me of the Sandy Hook killer. Both seemingly autistic and an obsessive fixation / "special interest" (which can be common) which unfortunately in this case was... killing/mass murder. Then choosing the softest target they can find who cannot fight back, thus ensuring "success". An act/actor maybe as close to evil as can be. Thankfully extremely rare... but the question is, he was well known to "authorities" school/social services etc so how can this have been prevented?
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I think that’s the point of the Inquiry, and hopefully learn any lessons that the agencies are able to learn
 




portlock seagull

portlock seagull

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Jul 28, 2003
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herecomesaregular said:
Reminds me of the Sandy Hook killer. Both seemingly autistic and an obsessive fixation / "special interest" (which can be common) which unfortunately in this case was... killing/mass murder. Then choosing the softest target they can find who cannot fight back, thus ensuring "success". An act/actor maybe as close to evil as can be. Thankfully extremely rare... but the question is, he was well known to "authorities" school/social services etc so how can this have been prevented?
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You almost certainly can’t. Democracy allows criminals enormous freedoms almost to the point of landing the first blow / casualty or casualties, and hoping for ‘limited damage.’
 










sydney

sydney

tinky ****in winky
Jul 11, 2003
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town full of eejits
jcdenton08 said:
He won’t be released while he’s deemed a threat to society. Given the severity and depravity of his crimes, it will be a massive sentence. They don’t need a “whole life tariff”. The CPS are currently appealing Sara Sharif’s murderer’s sentence of 40 years as being too lenient.
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on 200 quid an hour ...!! all these boat arrivals have "people " working for them on similar renumeration , its a fuckin joke mate , wake up , your taxes are being rinsed.
 






Thunder Bolt

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Aug 18, 2009
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cloud said:
How does this differ from the Jamie Bulger case, where the perpetrators were 10 but were sentenced to indefinite detention
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I haven't listened to the details, because I know I would find it too distressing, but sentencing can depend on psychiatric reports.
 


R

ROSM

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Dec 26, 2005
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Just far enough away from LDC
cloud said:
How does this differ from the Jamie Bulger case, where the perpetrators were 10 but were sentenced to indefinite detention
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I didn't think they were. Yes they were detained at her majesty's pleasure but I thought they originally got minimum 8 years that was increased to mimimum 10 yrs on appeal and then the home secretary increased it to mimimum 15yrs (which was actually outside his control and was reduced back to 10yrs minimum following house of Lords decision in 97)
 


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ROSM

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Dec 26, 2005
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Kinky Gerbil said:
Listening to the details this morning, my stance on not having the death penalty is being pushed to the limit for this scumbag.
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It is horrific and I know what you mean.

it does underline why decisions on things like the death penalty can be influenced by events..such as terrorism, gun crime, attacks on emergency services etc
 


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Kinky Gerbil

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ROSM said:
It is horrific and I know what you mean.

it does underline why decisions on things like the death penalty can be influenced by events..such as terrorism, gun crime, attacks on emergency services etc
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I think what makes it worse is, (however unlikely ) he could be out of jail in the future as it's not a full life tariff.

Judges should have the power to hand these out to youths in the most extreme cases
 






Thunder Bolt

Thunder Bolt

Silly old bat
Aug 18, 2009
68,753
Beside the seaside, beside the sea
sydney said:
on 200 quid an hour ...!! all these boat arrivals have "people " working for them on similar renumeration , its a fuckin joke mate , wake up , your taxes are being rinsed.
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The CPS wages are at civil service rates, and fees for barristers are set by the government.

You didn't even read the post you replied to.
The CPS are currently appealing Sara Sharif’s murderer’s sentence of 40 years as being too lenient.

Do you understand what lenient actually means?
 


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