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[Politics] Trump's new gender executive order...



alanfp

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Feb 23, 2024
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At conception every embryo is female.
As there's been a different take on this by another poster I thought I'd better check... and it's not the case. The sex of the embryo is determined by the chromosomes. I checked various official gov and NHS websites just to be sure.

But as Sussax said above, we'll all drive ourselves mad(der) if we start a new thread every time Trump does something we think is weird.

Trouble is, I find it all so fascinating and/or worrying so I remain engaged - I can't help myself!
 




sparkie

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Jul 17, 2003
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I don't know but assume that you are either XX chromosome, or XY at conception, or a much more rare variant ?

Maybe that is what they mean ?
 


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Oct 22, 2003
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Hmmm….

Sex determination at conception:
The sex of a fetus is determined at the moment of fertilization when the sperm contributes its chromosome (either X or Y) to the egg.
That's an oversimplification, rather than a scientific fact.

Here's a paper that explains in more detail.

 
















Brovion

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Jul 6, 2003
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I see no wailing or gnashing of teeth on this thread. Maybe you are right, I don't know. But we can be guaranteed there is plenty to come. Such as his statement that America first split the atom. That happened in Manchester.
Seeing as they believe they won WW2 single-handed (and played a major role in cracking the Enigma code), that's pretty much par for the course.
 


WSU Dilettante

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Mar 12, 2014
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... makes every American female.

The wording states that a person belongs to the gender they have at conception.

At conception every embryo is female. Female genitals start developing first and are only replaced with male ones at about 6 weeks after conception.

With legal documents, you can't get away with "well it obviously meant...". What's written is written.

So every American is now, according to executive order, a girl.
Oooh that is deliciously hilarious.
This lot are so stupid.
 


m20gull

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Jun 10, 2004
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That's an oversimplification, rather than a scientific fact.

Here's a paper that explains in more detail.

I have looked through this a couple of times and though it is more complicated than just the chromosome it still seems that sex is determined at conception. Have I understood that correctly?
 




A1X

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Another anti Trump thread with no basis. The sex of a child is determined at fertilisation/conception. Someone has read a wrong fact and posted it on here and you're all wailing about it. Dear oh dear.
I thought it was us lefties who were doing the crying?
 


Peacehaven Wild Kids

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Jan 16, 2022
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Bit like that urban myth from the 90’s where there are 3 woman (i wanted to put bird’s) to every bloke in Nottingham

For those of us old enough to remember Gregory’s Girl

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Oct 22, 2003
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I have looked through this a couple of times and though it is more complicated than just the chromosome it still seems that sex is determined at conception. Have I understood that correctly?
It's debatable, that's the problem. Obviously all of the genetic factors are determined at conception, but it's difficult to assess exactly what effect they'll have.

A law should be clear and not subject to interpretation, so even though I started this intended more as a light hearted joke than anything, it's still a fecking stupid executive order.
 




m20gull

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It's debatable, that's the problem. Obviously all of the genetic factors are determined at conception, but it's difficult to assess exactly what effect they'll have.

A law should be clear and not subject to interpretation, so even though I started this intended more as a light hearted joke than anything, it's still a fecking stupid executive order.
So a clearer statement might be that genetic factors that determine sex are fixed at conception. Laws are frequently open to interpretation unfortunately - see discussions on this forum about penalties recently! The intent of the executive order seems clear enough but implementation will show.
 


Harry Wilson's tackle

Harry Wilson's Tackle
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Oct 8, 2003
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I have looked through this a couple of times and though it is more complicated than just the chromosome it still seems that sex is determined at conception. Have I understood that correctly?
Yes. Sex is chromosomes. Gender is hormones and the way the brain works.

The whole 'debate' about sex and gender and hairy-bollocked brickies in a dress in the Ladies' Toilet, flashing at Our Children, is completely f***ing idiotic.

It is just a opportunity for the 'anti-woke' to engage in a bit more bullying.
The ****s.
 


Nobby

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Another anti Trump thread with no basis. The sex of a child is determined at fertilisation/conception. Someone has read a wrong fact and posted it on here and you're all wailing about it. Dear oh dear.
Any comment on the fact that he thinks Spain is the S in BRICS.
Caused a bit of a stir in Spain apparently

Obviously as a pro Trump sort of guy you’ll have a snidey comeback
 


m20gull

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Jun 10, 2004
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Yes. Sex is chromosomes. Gender is hormones and the way the brain works.

The whole 'debate' about sex and gender and hairy-bollocked brickies in a dress in the Ladies' Toilet, flashing at Our Children, is completely f***ing idiotic.

It is just a opportunity for the 'anti-woke' to engage in a bit more bullying.
The ****s.
It undoubtedly gives the 'anti-woke' an opportunity but the fundamental question remains: if there are spaces where you want society divided do you do it on sex or gender?
 




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It undoubtedly gives the 'anti-woke' an opportunity but the fundamental question remains: if there are spaces where you want society divided do you do it on sex or gender?
That is a very good question to which I have no simple answer.
My suggestion:

For sport, it has to be sex.

For anything non-competitive that involves possible nudity then if you have an intact cock and balls you need to join the 'men' queue.

For anything else, it should be decided by the individual.
 


jackanada

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Jul 19, 2011
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Bit like that urban myth from the 90’s where there are 3 woman (i wanted to put bird’s) to every bloke in Nottingham
Never tested it myself but I did have a friend of unfortunate physiognomy who drove up every weekend. He did eventually pull but had to park up his slightly flash motor for the rest of the year as the excess miles on his finance agreement were going to bankrupt him
 


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