[News] Southport Murderer Pleads Guilty

Cheshire Cat · Monday at 7:57 PM

Thunder Bolt said:
Lots of answers on the bbc.

Axel Rudakubana pleads guilty to murder of three girls in Southport

Axel Rudakubana admitted murdering Alice da Silva Aguiar, Elsie Dot Stancombe, and Bebe King, plus 10 attempted murders, producing ricin, and possessing terrorist material.

www.bbc.co.uk

That has to be the worst mug shot I have ever seen.

Is it PotG? · Monday at 8:01 PM

Cheshire Cat said:
That has to be the worst mug shot I have ever seen.

Tiger's is GRRRRREEEEEAAAAAT

Cheshire Cat · Monday at 8:02 PM

Jackthelad said:
I've never seen such a brutal case get so little attention. So murky all of it. A lot politics at play.

Better now?

Public inquiry into Southport attack announced

It comes after Axel Rudakubana pleaded guilty to the murders of three girls in the town last year.

www.bbc.co.uk

clapham_gull · Monday at 9:26 PM

Jackthelad said:
We have to be careful just talking about it on here but I want the big Islamic pink elephant question answered if there is any indication of that, as so many people seem to think there was.

Which people ? Those close to the case, those who knew him ?

Have you read some people's nonsense on Twitter ?

There weren't any photographs from the court (really) and only a drawing.

He was covering his head so we couldn't see his long "muslim" beard.

The authorities were deliberately using a photograph of him as a child.

Is is those people you are referring to ?

Lady Whistledown · Monday at 10:09 PM

jcdenton08 said:
He’ll die in prison and not have an easy time; he’ll be a marked man.

I doubt it. He was- legally- a child when he committed the murders, so juvenile sentencing guidelines apply. Nothing has been raised to that effect so far.

Will be a life sentence, with a starting point of a minimum 12 years (this is only a starting point: there are various aggravating factors which will increase his minimum tariff, principally the pre-meditation & planning, the number of victims and the fact that most of them were young children).

Under current legislation, a 17 year old can't be given a whole life tariff, as dished out to the likes of Bellfield, Couzens, Adebolajo, Rose West etc.

jcdenton08 · Monday at 10:24 PM

Lady Whistledown said:
I doubt it. He was- legally- a child when he committed the murders, so juvenile sentencing guidelines apply. Nothing has been raised to that effect so far.

Will be a life sentence, with a starting point of a minimum 12 years (this is only a starting point: there are various aggravating factors which will increase his minimum tariff, principally the pre-meditation & planning, the number of victims and the fact that most of them were young children).

Under current legislation, a 17 year old can't be given a whole life tariff, as dished out to the likes of Bellfield, Couzens, Adebolajo, Rose West etc.

He won’t be released while he’s deemed a threat to society. Given the severity and depravity of his crimes, it will be a massive sentence. They don’t need a “whole life tariff”. The CPS are currently appealing Sara Sharif’s murderer’s sentence of 40 years as being too lenient.

herecomesaregular · Monday at 10:36 PM

Reminds me of the Sandy Hook killer. Both seemingly autistic and a obsessive fixation / "special interest" (which can be common) which unfortunately in this case was... killing/mass murder. Then choosing the softest target they can find who cannot fight back, thus ensuring "success". An act/actor maybe as close to evil as can be. Thankfully extremely rare... but the question is, he was well known to "authorities" school/social services/police etc so how can this have been prevented?

jcdenton08 · Monday at 10:38 PM

herecomesaregular said:
Reminds me of the Sandy Hook killer. Both seemingly autistic and an obsessive fixation / "special interest" (which can be common) which unfortunately in this case was... killing/mass murder. Then choosing the softest target they can find who cannot fight back, thus ensuring "success". An act/actor maybe as close to evil as can be. Thankfully extremely rare... but the question is, he was well known to "authorities" school/social services etc so how can this have been prevented?

I think that’s the point of the Inquiry, and hopefully learn any lessons that the agencies are able to learn

portlock seagull · Monday at 10:50 PM

herecomesaregular said:
Reminds me of the Sandy Hook killer. Both seemingly autistic and an obsessive fixation / "special interest" (which can be common) which unfortunately in this case was... killing/mass murder. Then choosing the softest target they can find who cannot fight back, thus ensuring "success". An act/actor maybe as close to evil as can be. Thankfully extremely rare... but the question is, he was well known to "authorities" school/social services etc so how can this have been prevented?

You almost certainly can’t. Democracy allows criminals enormous freedoms almost to the point of landing the first blow / casualty or casualties, and hoping for ‘limited damage.’

nevergoagain · 2025-01-23T12:22:58+0000

Removed from the dock at sentencing claiming he's ill. Hopefully nothing trivial.

Kinky Gerbil · 2025-01-23T12:39:31+0000

Listening to the details this morning, my stance on not having the death penalty is being pushed to the limit for this scumbag.

sydney · 2025-01-23T12:52:11+0000

Is it PotG? said:
Tiger's is GRRRRREEEEEAAAAAT

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yeah ..nah , not really , assuming you have kids and grandkids .....not really funny is it.(rhetorical) subject clearly issued up but let slide so as not to offend.

sydney · 2025-01-23T12:55:00+0000

jcdenton08 said:
He won’t be released while he’s deemed a threat to society. Given the severity and depravity of his crimes, it will be a massive sentence. They don’t need a “whole life tariff”. The CPS are currently appealing Sara Sharif’s murderer’s sentence of 40 years as being too lenient.

on 200 quid an hour ...!! all these boat arrivals have "people " working for them on similar renumeration , its a fuckin joke mate , wake up , your taxes are being rinsed.

cloud · 2025-01-23T12:58:53+0000

Lady Whistledown said:
Under current legislation, a 17 year old can't be given a whole life tariff, as dished out to the likes of Bellfield, Couzens, Adebolajo, Rose West etc.

How does this differ from the Jamie Bulger case, where the perpetrators were 10 but were sentenced to indefinite detention

Thunder Bolt · 2025-01-23T13:02:31+0000

cloud said:
How does this differ from the Jamie Bulger case, where the perpetrators were 10 but were sentenced to indefinite detention

I haven't listened to the details, because I know I would find it too distressing, but sentencing can depend on psychiatric reports.

ROSM · 2025-01-23T13:16:29+0000

cloud said:
How does this differ from the Jamie Bulger case, where the perpetrators were 10 but were sentenced to indefinite detention

I didn't think they were. Yes they were detained at her majesty's pleasure but I thought they originally got minimum 8 years that was increased to mimimum 10 yrs on appeal and then the home secretary increased it to mimimum 15yrs (which was actually outside his control and was reduced back to 10yrs minimum following house of Lords decision in 97)

ROSM · 2025-01-23T13:18:30+0000

Kinky Gerbil said:
Listening to the details this morning, my stance on not having the death penalty is being pushed to the limit for this scumbag.

It is horrific and I know what you mean.

it does underline why decisions on things like the death penalty can be influenced by events..such as terrorism, gun crime, attacks on emergency services etc

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