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Harry Wilson's tackle

Harry Wilson's tackle

Harry Wilson's Tackle
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Black Rod said:
It will never cease to amaze me how a chap in Sweden can get so angry about Brighton & Hove Albion football club because a manager from Italy outperformed his favourite manager from Birmingham

Long may it continue
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I know what you mean.... and yet I don't agree with the consensus view about @Han Solo.
(Which appears to be evil agent of malignant disrespectful entitled self-important narcissistic cockwomblry)

Maybe I only get cross with people on NSC whose main goal is to Keep Britain Tory.
Or belittle people with mental health issues.

Everyone else seems to have an interesting perspective,
even if I occasionally/often/typically don't agree with it.

:shrug:
 




Harry Wilson's tackle

Harry Wilson's tackle

Harry Wilson's Tackle
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Zeberdi

Zeberdi

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Harry Wilson's tackle said:
I know what you mean.... and yet I don't agree with the consensus view about @Han Solo.
(Which appears to be evil agent of malignant disrespectful entitled self-important narcissistic cockwomblry)

Maybe I only get cross with people on NSC whose main goal is to Keep Britain Tory.
Or belittle people with mental health issues.

Everyone else seems to have an interesting perspective,
even if I occasionally/often/typically don't agree with it.

:shrug:
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It is not a concensus

HS has plenty of support on NSC not least acolytes in @Bozza and several moderators.

I personally think HS is much brighter than people give him credit for and exceptionally clever people get bored - I would not be surprised if our Swedish friend luzzes the equivalent of verbal molotov cocktails into the NSC crowd for the sheer hell of it sometimes and enjoys the drug fuelled spectacle of the inevitable conniptions that follow. :wink:

@Guinness Boy probably hit the nail on the head with one of his earlier posts though tbh. But we are all different aren’t we and thank fcuk for that .😂
 


One Teddy Maybank

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Harry Wilson's tackle said:
I know what you mean.... and yet I don't agree with the consensus view about @Han Solo.
(Which appears to be evil agent of malignant disrespectful entitled self-important narcissistic cockwomblry)

Maybe I only get cross with people on NSC whose main goal is to Keep Britain Tory.
Or belittle people with mental health issues.

Everyone else seems to have an interesting perspective,
even if I occasionally/often/typically don't agree with it.

:shrug:
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Have you stopped using ‘ignore’?

I have HS on ignore, because I find him wearing, that said I have a large ignore list, and he is the only poster that I sometimes take off, to see his point.

Back on thread….

Have said it before, never warmed to Potter but he is a really good coach, I watched the West Ham v Palace game as abroad, and it West Ham looked a little like us when GP started. I also don’t find criticism of his comments boring, because it was twatish behaviour on his part….

I expect them and him to continually improve in the next 18 months.

Palace well organised but a bit boring to watch IMO.
 




Harry Wilson's tackle

Harry Wilson's tackle

Harry Wilson's Tackle
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Oct 8, 2003
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Faversham
One Teddy Maybank said:
Have you stopped using ‘ignore’?

I have HS on ignore, because I find him wearing, that said I have a large ignore list, and he is the only poster that I sometimes take off, to see his point.

Back on thread….

Have said it before, never warmed to Potter but he is a really good coach, I watched the West Ham v Palace game as abroad, and it West Ham looked a little like us when GP started. I also don’t find criticism of his comments boring, because it was twatish behaviour on his part….

I expect them and him to continually improve in the next 18 months.

Palace well organised but a bit boring to watch IMO.
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I put the previous incarnation on ignore over the antisemitic ranting.
I have found no reason to put the new incarnation on ignore and find his posts/presence interesting.

I don't engage with the Potter debate, but get the impression that HS only has to mention Potter or RDZ and there are several people piling in. But I skim over that.
 


R

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If I can interject to back this up, I know a lot of people who lost friendships, relationships, health, jobs and in one case, their liberty, fighting to save our club.
Triggaaar said:
No problem. In the meantime you really should read up on what happened in the 90s. To claim that it was about fans being self-important is far off the mark.
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Kalimantan Gull

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It's interesting reading this from the sidelines and seeing how few people are willing to engage with the substance of Han Solos posts but instead just get angry as if he's talking about them. I did my small bit in the 90s but I know he's not talking about me because I don't act entitled about our signings or sales or spend or performances or results. But I can recognise the kind of people on here that he's talking about. Whether they are the same people who were really active in the struggle in the 90s I doubt, but I don't know. But it looks like there are many here who feel personally aggrieved by his posts even though they aren't directed at them.

There are parallels with the 'history lesson quote from Potter. I know he wasn't talking about me, because I wasn't one of the silly folks booing the team off after the draw with Leeds. But I bet there are many on here who also didn't boo the team off after Leeds, but despite that are convinced Potter was having a go at them personally.
 




BadFish

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Kalimantan Gull said:
It's interesting reading this from the sidelines and seeing how few people are willing to engage with the substance of Han Solos posts but instead just get angry as if he's talking about them. I did my small bit in the 90s but I know he's not talking about me because I don't act entitled about our signings or sales or spend or performances or results. But I can recognise the kind of people on here that he's talking about. Whether they are the same people who were really active in the struggle in the 90s I doubt, but I don't know. But it looks like there are many here who feel personally aggrieved by his posts even though they aren't directed at them.

There are parallels with the 'history lesson quote from Potter. I know he wasn't talking about me, because I wasn't one of the silly folks booing the team off after the draw with Leeds. But I bet there are many on here who also didn't boo the team off after Leeds, but despite that are convinced Potter was having a go at them personally.
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In my defence I was willing to engage with the substance of his post. He just declined to engage with my suggestion that the premise of his post was wrong.

I still don't recognise the idea that anyone (bar a few fringe nutjobs, possibly) is demanding titles and requesting the board put the club into jeopardy to do so.

I haven't commented on is comments about the war years and I think that attributing motive to people he has never met doing things before he was born is beyond ridiculous.

I wouldn't say I am taking it personally it is just a preposterous position to take.
 


Zeberdi

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Kalimantan Gull said:
It's interesting reading this from the sidelines and seeing how few people are willing to engage with the substance of Han Solos posts but instead just get angry as if he's talking about them. I did my small bit in the 90s but I know he's not talking about me because I don't act entitled about our signings or sales or spend or performances or results. But I can recognise the kind of people on here that he's talking about. Whether they are the same people who were really active in the struggle in the 90s I doubt, but I don't know. But it looks like there are many here who feel personally aggrieved by his posts even though they aren't directed at them.

There are parallels with the 'history lesson quote from Potter. I know he wasn't talking about me, because I wasn't one of the silly folks booing the team off after the draw with Leeds. But I bet there are many on here who also didn't boo the team off after Leeds, but despite that are convinced Potter was having a go at them personally.
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Maybe read the room a little better.

No one is taking anything HS has said about Brighton fans/TB personally because none of the comments were targeted in that way ( except the direct comment made to THPP).

The “substance” of much that has been said has revolved around calling Brighton fans “entitled” and “ungrateful” for the investment TB has made in the Club or that the majority of Brighton fans have the desire to win silver to the detriment of the long term longevity of the Club. Maybe there are one or two like that amongst the fan base but the comments were made as a generalised observation.

Many of us run of the mill fans were heavily involved in one way or another getting us to where we are today ( I was heavily involved in the political fight to get the Falmer site for my part) so suggesting “Brighton fans” did that for the kudos or ego trip and fans use it today as a badge of entitlement is not going to be met with a positive response on a forum of Brighton fans who were largely involved in shaping our history for the better! That is just common sense.

It’s disingenuous to dismiss fans as being overly sensitive when they feel justifiably aggrieved at the suggestion their efforts to save the Club was merely a self-aggrandising exercise and now in their “hundreds” have no qualms in attacking the very person that invested millions in the Club because he won’t invest more.

Whether one feels insulted, aggrieved or not, I think the comments I refer to are a mischaracterisation of most NSCers and Brighton fans as a whole.
 
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Kalimantan Gull

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Zeberdi said:
Maybe read the room a little better.

No one is taking anything HS has said about Brighton fans/TB personally because none of the comments were targeted in that way ( except the direct comment made to THPP).

The “substance” of much that has been said has revolved around calling Brighton fans “entitled” and “ungrateful” for the investment TB has made in the Club or that the majority of Brighton fans have the desire to win silver to the detriment of the long term longevity of the Club. Maybe there are one or two like that amongst the fan base but the comments were made as a generalised observation.

Many of us run of the mill fans were heavily involved in one way or another getting us to where we are today ( I was heavily involved in the political fight to get the Falmer site for my part) so suggesting “Brighton fans” did that for the kudos or ego trip and fans use it today as a badge of entitlement is not going to be met with a positive response on a forum of Brighton fans who were largely involved in shaping our history for the better! That is just common sense.

It’s disingenuous dismiss fans as being over sensitive when they feel justifiably aggrieved at the suggestion their efforts to save the Club was merely a self-aggrandising exercise and now in their “hundreds” have no qualms in attacking the very person that invested millions in the Club because he won’t invest more.
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Whether you like it or not this board had been inundated with the kind of entitled fans he is talking about. But you and I know it's just NSC and a number of loud but ultimately unrepresentative folks. That's the rebuttal to his posts but instead people seem to be taking it personally. He's not describing you so why get upset?
 


Simster

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I don't really understand why so many people have such extreme opinions on Potter.

For me, the facts are that he took over a dysfunctional Hughton team and slowly changed the way we play,ed for the better, and blooded youngsters (as was his remit). We as fans were EXTREMELY patient with him, but just when it seemed he'd got it right (years later, after some frustrating, barren periods) he upped and left. The second half of his final season was a joy to watch and he left us looking like title/Europe contenders, six games in. What upsets many on here is not so much that he left, but some of the quotes - an easy life, history lesson etc. Fair enough to be upset, there's no reason why fans should like that sort of thing, and it's this that makes us laugh as his failure since leaving.

What I don't like are the double standards compared with RDZ. He didn't leave with fan-unfriendly quotes but his conduct was still shit.
 




Kosh

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Kalimantan Gull said:
Whether you like it or not this board had been inundated with the kind of entitled fans he is talking about. But you and I know it's just NSC and a number of loud but ultimately unrepresentative folks. That's the rebuttal to his posts but instead people seem to be taking it personally. He's not describing you so why get upset?
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I’ve been called a f***ing C and worse… he’s gone as far to message me privately as such on multiple occasions… very personal and very nasty.

That’s who he is, scratch the surface, ahem - disagree with him, call out some not true BS and he flips and reveals the true person behind the hippy drippy footballing guru mask… he’s a nasty piece of work… always has been.

That’s why I get so upset with his constant bringing down of supporters he deems irrational, compromised and entitled… as for the GP fixation, just plain odd.

Also, crucially, he’s unable to take a joke or laugh at his own ridiculousness at all… not for me, not at all.

In the interests of my own sanity however, I’ll refrain from adding anything else to this thread and go back to ignoring him like I did when he was originally here, and wait for the inevitable to occur, which it will.
 
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Commander

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Han Solo said:
How come the same people moaning about these quotes are the same one who doesn't give a shit about Roberto De Zerbi trashtalking the club publicly in media for month?
Oh yes because he talked trash every week about Brighton & Hove Albion, which is "ambitious". A throwaway comment on the fans is perceived as worse, because Brighton & Hove Albion is the only club in the world where the fans think they're bigger, more beautiful and more important than their club.

Thats how a throwaway comment about a very entitled fanbase boos are more upsetting than someone on a weekly basis humiliating the club over how small and bad it is.

Guess its a consequence of the rough 90s. A lot of guys used the club as a vehicle to boost their own thoughts about their own importance and they're eager to rally behind anyone saying the club, its owner, its ambitions, its size, its model is trash because they got a kick out of doing those things themselves ages ago.

Thats the only real sad thing about it. The guy who spent three years working hard to make the team function is seen as a knob and the guy who spent 1.5 years expressing how small and unambitious the club in order to look better himself is is seen as a club legend. It really says a lot unfortunately, and not about Potter or De Zerbi.
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Certainly an interesting take. I was right behind Potter all the way until he left and took half the coaching staff with him and then made snide comments about the club that gave him his chance in the Premier League and stuck with him through a run that involved us not scoring at home for four months, when most others would not have. I found it strange how the fans were so precious when he called out the boo boys, especially when fully backed by Bloom and Barber on it. Our fan base has become precious and entitled, there is no doubt about that.

However, your comments about the 90's are well off the mark. You couldn't possibly understand, because you weren't there, and you couldn't possibly feel those same emotions about a club over 1000 miles away from you.

Re RDZ, I just don't understand why people have to be so binary on everything. Potter = good, RDZ = bad, or the other way round. Both of them were the right men at the right time (just as Hughton was before them) and did excellent jobs. RDZ basically threw his toys out the pram and gave up when he didn't get what he wanted, and Potter jumped ship and took half the coaching staff with him at the first opportunity of a bumper payday. Both left badly in my eyes. I expect Hurzeler will as well at some point. Seems to be the way of the world these days.
 


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