Sink them, and then apologise for the accident. Do it again and again and again until they're all sunk.
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[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)
- Thread starter vegster
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I would think that escorting (by Finnish, Estonian navy) all vessels safely across the cable sites (ensuring no accidental dropping of anchors etc) would be reasonable given recent events
papachris
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Some updates regarding the damaged Estlink cable.
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Oil tanker seized by Finland 'was loaded with spying equipment'
The Russia-linked Eagle S oil tanker detained by Finland this week after damaging the EstLink 2 undersea cable was "loaded with spying equipment", shipping news publication Lloyd's List reported.
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Paper: Finnish authorities prevented damage to Estlink 1, Balticconnector
The Finnish government moved to detain the Russian-linked oil tanker Eagle S suspected of damaging EstLink 2 when it seemed clear it could continue to damage undersea infrastructure, Finnish newspaper Helsingin Sanomat reported on Saturday.
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Sirnormangall
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- Sep 21, 2017
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I read that he offered his deep and sincerest condolences to the families of the bereaved. Innocent citizens - just like those in Ukraine who’ve yet to be offered similar. Of course Putin’s sincere gesture to Azerbaijan has nothing to do with the need to keep the lid on yet another potential issue on his doorstep and desperation to keep them in his sphere of influence.
And who’d have have guessed that according to Putin there were Ukrainian drones in the area at that time? Not sure why Ukraine would want to stir up trouble in Chechnya as they seem more than capable of continuing to be a thorn in Putin’s side without external help. But if Ukraine has a lot of surplus drones then I suppose it would be logical to use them in areas that would continue to stretch Putin.
Sirnormangall
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- Sep 21, 2017
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Well done FinlandSome updates regarding the damaged Estlink cable.
Oil tanker seized by Finland 'was loaded with spying equipment'
The Russia-linked Eagle S oil tanker detained by Finland this week after damaging the EstLink 2 undersea cable was "loaded with spying equipment", shipping news publication Lloyd's List reported.
Paper: Finnish authorities prevented damage to Estlink 1, Balticconnector
The Finnish government moved to detain the Russian-linked oil tanker Eagle S suspected of damaging EstLink 2 when it seemed clear it could continue to damage undersea infrastructure, Finnish newspaper Helsingin Sanomat reported on Saturday.
I wonder how the conversation went:
So sorry about shooting your plane down. Really cut up about it.
Well yeah, WTF. But then once you'd shot it, why didn't you let it land?
Er... as a sign of solidarity with the Azerbaijani people, we've bought you a new villa.
- Aug 24, 2020
- 7,641
Russia's secret* drone factory in Yelabuga, 1800 km from Eastern Ukraine:
But the good news is Ukrainian drones can reach it !
kyivindependent.com
But the good news is Ukrainian drones can reach it !
Ukrainian drones can hit targets 2,000 km away, military intelligence claims
"From what we can tell — it's no longer a secret — Ukrainian long-range unmanned aerial vehicles can hypothetically operate up to 2,000 kilometers," military intelligence spokesperson Andrii Yusov said.
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SeagullinExile
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Possibly. But I think it would take a ground incursion or missile attack into NATO territory before any retaliation by NATO tbh.
- Aug 24, 2020
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I like this Youtuber. Look beyond the Father Christmas beard and listen to him.
'Putin's belligerence has done more to isolate Russia than western policymakers ever could'.
'Putin's belligerence has done more to isolate Russia than western policymakers ever could'.
I understand now. If those naughty Ukrainians hadn't flown drones in the vicinity, the Russian federation wouldn't have mistakenly shot down a civilian airliner. It's all Ukraine's fault !
- Aug 24, 2020
- 7,641
Exactly.
Here's Prof. Tim Wilson again, here detailing the five points why it wasn't the fault of Ukrainian drones, but the responsibility of Russia. This is key.
- Aug 24, 2020
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It will shortly be kicking off. This is also reported by Prof. Tim Wilson watching Turkish TV, but this is from Azerbaijan itself.
The plane was shot down on Dec 25. The medal was awarded on Dec 26.
The plane was shot down on Dec 25. The medal was awarded on Dec 26.
vegster
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- May 5, 2008
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It really is a waste of time trying to prove neglect and blame for the shooting down of the plane. We have been here before and despite the condemnation there's absolutely NOTHING that the West, International Criminal Court, NATO and whoever can do about what has happened. There is no way of holding Russia to account and Putin knows it.
He's apologised. What more do you want ?!!
- Aug 24, 2020
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Yes, you could well be right. We have been here before, with the plane shot down over the Donbas, and very little happened then.
But there are several other facets to this tragedy.
We are ten years on, and the world knows what Russia is capable of. It invades neighbouring countries, shoots down civilian planes and then tries to cover up the evidence. It will be working to cover up the evidence right now.
The west will, of course, keep asking questions, to make sure Putin stays on the back foot as we approach the peace talks, if they happen. Maybe that will prove to be the limit the west can do. Putin has made a statement of apology, but fell short of accepting responsibility. He is still under pressure from many directions. Possibly more so than at first, in view of the Kadyrov involvement.
To take a step back, is flying over Russian airspace safe? A number of airlines have suspended operations. Will they want to resume operations? I wouldn't.
Then there is the passenger list. It contained 39 Azerbaijanis, 6 Kazakhs and 3 Kyrgyz as well as 16 Russians. So you might expect a certain weakening of Russian influence in those other countries.
Chechnya/Ingoshetia is already a powder keg, which is why the Ukrainians were busy flying drones over it.
Then there is the Kadyrov factor, which is an unknown. Will he be safe? Will his nephew be safe? How will Putin handle it?
There may be pressure from within the Kremlin, which is also an unknown.
The ramifications of Russia shooting down the plane are yet to unfold.
- Aug 24, 2020
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From 2 hours ago:
From 1 hour ago:
From 1 hour ago:
vegster
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- May 5, 2008
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Yes, I suppose this latest shooting down will have ramifications but...Putin is never going to fly anywhere where he can be arrested for his crimes. He will never face justice for the War Crimes commited under his leadership. Blowing up airliners, hospitals, schools, theatres and shopping centres is a way of life for Russia and it seems they always get away with it.
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- Aug 24, 2020
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Until they don't.
They've been getting away with it for a very, very long time, going back centuries. Putin is just the latest. But all things come to an end. Change is inevitable.
I sense a growing number of countries peripheral to Russia, at last having the courage to stand up to Russian oppression, threats, coercion and violence. Will a small western Asian country, considered friendly to Russia, be the one to tip the scales? Take a look at this report of what Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev said. I'm guessing it will send shockwaves through the Kremlin. This kind of straight talking from a friendly country, simply doesn't happen.