[Politics] Are Labour going to turn this country around?

Pavilionaire said:

It was democratic in the sense that everyone got to cast a vote, but the campaigns were misleading, especially Leave. My father in law voted Leave because he was passionate that immigration was too high and adamant the country was full. Millions thought like him, they thought we would "take back control of our borders". If he could have foresen what would have transpired he would never have voted Leave.

Too many lies, not enough facts. The whole Referendum campaign showed the UK up for not understanding the EU. The ignorance on all sides was astounding, which for those of us who understand the EU well the vote outcome is so hard to take.

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Rdodge30 said:

Granted, only time will tell. Personally I think this is far worse.

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Balders said:

I've sort of given up on Politics (bad person in a democracy) but it's just become an extension of many things in life where people just want someone/something to blame. For the last "x" number of new incumbent parliaments, the incoming party has inherited some kind of black hole in Public Finances - this is nothing new!
I do have a modicum of sympathy for the Tories - in the last few years global events have cost Countries all around the world money that they didn't have - Covid wasn't the Tories fault, nor was Putin's war on Ukraine, to name but two, but let's just play the blame game depending on which side you have chosen to sit. How the Tories handled Covid is a different matter, but at the end of the day, it cost us money that we didn't have.
Whether this latest Budget is going to be good for the Country long term, who knows, but I'm yet to read anything from experts outside of Parliament that short term is going to be other than more pain.
Regardless of who is in power, there is only so much money to go round. I've not voted in the last two General Elections, primarily because I don't believe any current Political Party can make a difference, and until proved otherwise, that's my prerogative

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armchairclubber said:

Whether it be a referendum or an election, democracy can only really be achieved or declared when the electorate are given honest options.

That's why this country now fails miserably, particularly with the affiliations of our press and media, as well as what I will just call underhand, or hand in glove, powers of overseas involvement and persuasion. (of course that's all in the eye of the beholder)
Fed a load of pathetic bollox most of the time, folks shouldn't kid themselves.

Merry Christmas to all

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Doc Lynam said:

I think a more telling question for the vote is how badly have the tories decade and half screwed us up?

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armchairclubber said:

I had the mistaken impression Labour may not be living up to the expectations of a fair proportion of their voters (as well as others)

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Hugo Rune said:

They came into power saying that things were going to be very tough indeed and that they were going to have to take the sort of decisions a populist right wing leader would balk at.

They are dull. Their PR is appalling. But actually, they are carrying out one promise to the letter. Putting Country ahead or Party by taking the sort of tough decisions and not being on the sort of personal ego trips we saw from likes of Cameron, Johnson and Truss were so fond of. By not setting your sails to align policy with the headlines of The Sun and Daily Mail and by actively pursuing measure to help the younger generations instead of the boomers is incredibly brave and let’s face it, needed.

I suspect that when the increased money comes through to areas such as the NHS, roads, rail and energy, we’ll see some opinions change. But it’s going to be at least 18 months before we see results. Meanwhile, their insistence on not spinning everything is leaving them profoundly vulnerable to polling. With an election just under 5 years away, they still have plenty of time to try and be popular but that particular mission seems to be in the bin for now as they take decision after decision that are proving to be very unpopular (like they promised) whilst having an inability to get their successes anywhere near getting any meaningful airtime.

Room for improvement.

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