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[Football] Southgate knighthood ? what do you think ?







BadFish

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Oct 19, 2003
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It's a no from me but then that post office woman got one so are they really that legitimate?
 


JBizzle

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Apr 18, 2010
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Best England manager of my life time with a squad that was VASTLY easy over hyped before each tournament.

Did a decent job, restored some pride in playing for your country that was very much lost under Capello, McClaren etc etc, led the team with honesty and humility and got us to two more finals than anyone else since 1966.

Couldn't care less about whether he gets a knighthood or not, but there have been far, far worse ones out there.
 


nicko31

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Jan 7, 2010
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Personally - I think he deserves a huge amount more respect than he seems to get for totally changing the narrative of the England team from where we were in 2016. What short memories some people have. I'm 61, and although I was alive for the 1966 Final, I was only 2 and a half , and have no memories of it first hand. My first memories are of the build up to Mexico in 1970, sticker books, and us being World Champions (of course!) - and the horrible disappointment of Leon.
Since then, up until Southgate, we have been way way short of anything at all. No finals, just the two semi finals, (both lost to the Germans), over a 46 year period. FORTY-SIX ! That isn't just a blip - that was the reality for us , for England - the absolute norm. We failed to qualify for 1974, 1976, 1978, 1984, 1994, 2008. We went out in the Group Stages in 1980, 1988, 1992, 2000, 2014. That is a total of ELEVEN tournaments in which we have failed to get into the middle stages of a tournament. That was the reality for us - the norm.
For the others - let me list the roll of shit - 1970: QF defeat to West Germany after being 2-0 up, 1972: QF thrashing by West Germany, 1982: Second round group stage elimination, 1986: QF defeat to Argentina (and yeah, hand of god and all that, but we were second best in that game anyway), 1990: SF defeat on pens to West Germany, 1996: SF defeat on pens to Germany, 1998: 2nd round defeat on pens to Argentina, 2002: QF defeat to Brazil, 2004: QF defeat on pens to Portugal, 2006: QF defeat on pens to Portugal, 2010: 2nd round thrashing by Germany, 2012: QF defeat on pens to Italy, 2016: 2nd round defeat to Iceland.... 13 mediocre showings, outside of the ten in which we failed to get to the mid stage. In short 24 tournaments - ZERO finals, just TWO semifinals......over 48 years!
Since Southgate - 2018 - SF defeat to Croatia, 2020 - Final defeat on pens, 2022- QF defeat to France, and 2024 - Final defeat to Spain. How on earth is that not a massive upgrade on what we have pretty much lived with for a lifetime? This has been the best ever period following England in my entire (sentient) life! By any measure.

Give the guy a bit of credit, please
Good summary. The slagging off of Southgate from many I find ridiculous, he achieved more than Venables and Robson combined. The rest achieved very little.

The problem with England is always expectation and its unusually not realistic
 


A1X

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Plot twist - he’s actually getting it for this

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Flounce

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I was never a fan, but I get it. He got England a long way in tournaments and gave many people hope and happiness
 










loz

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He had the most talented crop of English players we've seen possibly ever and failed to win anything. Give him a job at any club team in English league and he would be sacked within a year.
Can’t agree with that, 2001/06 probably the best England side ever. Beckham, Owen, Gerrard, Cole, Scholes, Neville, Carragher to name a few. All individually better in there respective positions.
 


hart's shirt

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Jul 8, 2003
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He even gets his own Desert Island Discs on Sunday.....

Gareth Southgate has revealed on BBC Radio 4's Desert Island Discs that he made the decision to leave his job as England manager before the end of Euro 2024.

The 54-year-old, who was a guest on the latest episode of the long-running programme, chose Adele's Someone Like You as one of the eight songs he would take with him if cast away to a desert island, explaining to presenter Lauren Laverne that he "kept playing it towards the end of the last Euros" because "I knew I was going to be leaving".

He admitted that he had already decided before the final that it was "time for change on all sides".

Speaking about the Adele track, Southgate said: "There were so many of the words in it that, even if I hear it today, it relates to my relationship with England."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cy4pdjpvz17o

What a load of saccharine, self-indulgent soppy nonsense. :lolol:

But if he'd have offered excitement for the footballing romantics of us, he might have won the prize, ended up with the girl and avoided 'what if' regret.

Faint heart never won fair lady, Gareth.
 
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BN9 BHA

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Gareth Southgate has revealed on BBC Radio 4's Desert Island Discs that he made the decision to leave his job as England manager before the end of Euro 2024.

The 54-year-old, who was a guest on the latest episode of the long-running programme, chose Adele's Someone Like You as one of the eight songs he would take with him if cast away to a desert island, explaining to presenter Lauren Laverne that he "kept playing it towards the end of the last Euros" because "I knew I was going to be leaving".

He admitted that he had already decided before the final that it was "time for change on all sides".

Speaking about the Adele track, Southgate said: "There were so many of the words in it that, even if I hear it today, it relates to my relationship with England."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cy4pdjpvz17o

What a load of saccharine, self-indulgent soppy nonsense. :lolol:

But if he'd have offered tactical excitement for the footballing romantics of us, he'd might have won the prize, ended up with the girl and avoided regret.

Faint heart never won fair lady, Gareth.
Adele and Ed Sheeran on his list…….imagine my surprise :smile:
 


Littlemo

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To be fair, Southgate is a much better person than some of the folk on that list. At least he’s a decent guy. I don’t mind him getting it that much.
 
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amexer

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Aug 8, 2011
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Unless it is clear like Botham and Elton John that they have done huge amount for charity no sortspeople or entertainers should be honoured
 




HeaviestTed

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If he gets a knighthood for doing his job (for which he was exceptionally well paid) and not even particularly excelling at it then pretty much every person in the uk deserves a knighthood.

It seems it is more about celebrity rather than anything he himself has done.

Get rid of the whole stupid concept, unless he is gonna strap on a metal suit and do battle to the death.
 




Eeyore

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He was an excellent ambassador for the English game abroad. Very well respected. Had an international football career and isn't a 'bellend.

Haters gonna hate.
 


portlock seagull

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Jul 28, 2003
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I really don’t care. It’s all political anyway. OBE is other buggers efforts etc
 




essbee1

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Jun 25, 2014
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Wind back to pre Southgate. We were a joke, none of the players really wanted to play for England, and the country had given up on the team. It was really that bad. Succesive managers had failed despite having a golden era of players.

Under his leadership this was completely turned around and we reached two Euro finals and a world cup final.

By any measure he is the second most successful England manager in history.

He has also done that with dignity and humility.

Just because he is ex Palace and didn't pick Brighton players (generally) doesn't mean we can't respect what he achieved. He gave me some of my best England supporting moments ever. For that I'd happily knight him. Southgate you're the one.
I think he did everything he could and it was simply the players' (bottling it at the big matches) mentality that let us down, ultimately. So I don't blame Southgate for not winning anything. On that basis - I wouldn't have a problem with him being given a knighthood.
 




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