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I am viewing a small flat in Eastbourne on Monday. I was wondering if folk know the best questions to ask etc. It seems fairly cheap in a purpose built block, but the pictures seem to suggest it's okay. I still need to push them a little lower with a cash offer if I like it.

If anyone knows Eastbourne and has buying experience it would be nice to chat.
Maybe a new moving to Eastbourne thread would help, plenty of of people on here live there but they may not read this thread.

Good luck by the way, I personally think Eastbourne is a nice town, I’ve never lived there but often visit and have friends that live there.
 




Cordwainer

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I am viewing a small flat in Eastbourne on Monday. I was wondering if folk know the best questions to ask etc. It seems fairly cheap in a purpose built block, but the pictures seem to suggest it's okay. I still need to push them a little lower with a cash offer if I like it.

If anyone knows Eastbourne and has buying experience it would be nice to chat.
You’ve probably already thought of these..leasehold or share of freehold? Ground rent/service charge costs, any upcoming significant works and of course any dodgy cladding or similar!
 


Zeberdi

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Kudos in taking that huge step and realising your ideal - beyond buying the same property in rural/urban Sussex - scenario.

I honestly think, having tried but failed to help my dad in a similar situation, there is a book to be written guiding either your generation or their children in navigating such a difficult and life changing situation.

I'm sure there were huge challenges involved but also you should look back on this with a huge degree of satisfaction having achieved something not many people manage to.
Thanks. ☺️

Back to @Eeyore

Eastbourne was lovely when I used to go to school there - like a ’mini Brighton’ for retirees and people that were well behaved - but that was decades ago!

Some pertinent questions come to mind when looking at flats, especially purpose builds;

a/ Does the property come with a share of the freehold - if so, what’s the annual share per flat?

b/ If not, then what is the annual maintenance? - (including for any lift maintenance, communal gardens/gardener, decoration funds, ground rent and planned works)

c/ How long is left on the lease? If you don’t want a mortgage or plan to sell in the future, it’s less of an issue but renewing a lease if you do want to sell on in the next 5-10 years can be costly.

I personally don’t bother asking what the neighbours are like - I found out many years ago, the answer is generally very subjective (or untrue !) 😉
 
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Zeberdi

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You’ve probably already thought of these..leasehold or share of freehold? Ground rent/service charge costs, any upcoming significant works and of course any dodgy cladding or similar!
sorry didn’t see your post above mine before I replied - 👍
 


Eeyore

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Thanks. ☺️

Back to @Eyeore

Eastbourne was lovely when I used to go to school there - like a ’mini Brighton’ for retirees and people that were well behaved - but that was decades ago!

Some pertinent questions come to mind when looking at flats, especially purpose builds;

a/ Does the property come with a share of the freehold - if so, what’s the annual share per flat?

b/ If not, then what is the annual maintenance? - (including for any lift maintenance, communal gardens/gardener, decoration funds and ground rent)

c/ How long is left on the lease? If you don’t want a mortgage or plan to sell in the future, it’s less of an issue but renewing a lease if you do want to sell on in the next 5-10 years can be costly.

I personally don’t bother asking what the neighbours are like - I found out many years ago, the answer is generally very subjective (or untrue !) 😉
You’ve probably already thought of these..leasehold or share of freehold? Ground rent/service charge costs, any upcoming significant works and of course any dodgy cladding or similar!
It's a share of freehold. 999 year lease thingy. Maintenance charge of about £1200 per year.

As a cash buyer, do folk normally go in with lower offers ? It is slightly more than I am comfortable paying ? But not much. Obviously I need a property report done. I wondered if I should take out an insurance if I make an offer against things like gazumping. It happened before.
 






Zeberdi

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It's a share of freehold. 999 year lease thingy. Maintenance charge of about £1200 per year.
Sounds good (if there is a lift though I’d make sure that was included - lift maintenance can run into thousands a year).

I would be very conscious of noise too - how insulated are properties? - my mate in Brighton lived in a pb and you could hear neighbours talking through the walls and what channel they were watching on tv. Maybe view the property more than once and at different times of the day to get an idea how much noise is generated by those above and below the flat you’re interested in.

EDIT - yes, I have accepted cash buyers over mortgagees simply because it makes a less complicated transaction (and it’s quicker as you are not waiting on the buyer to get their mortgage agreed. I have also cash bought my current property at £5,000 below asking price because I was a cash buyer ready to proceed.

And yes, Homeowners Insurance will cover you if you lose the survey fees or solicitor fees to date. Once contracts have been exchanged however, the seller will be liable for I think 10% of the agreed sale price anyway if they pull out of the sale which would cover any survey and conveyancing costs to date, you would need to clarify that with your solicitor - but Homebuyers will safeguard your survey fees until then.
 
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It's a share of freehold. 999 year lease thingy. Maintenance charge of about £1200 per year.

As a cash buyer, do folk normally go in with lower offers ? It is slightly more than I am comfortable paying ? But not much. Obviously I need a property report done. I wondered if I should take out an insurance if I make an offer against things like gazumping. It happened before.

Looks good.

Check if there's a decent sinking fund built up to cover the future cost of significant works, if it's that's type of property.
 




Eeyore

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Looks good.

Check if there's a decent sinking fund built up to cover the future cost of significant works, if it's that's type of property.
I had a look at the accounts in company house. Looks like the Freehold surplus is £19,000 at present. I'd need to check if they are expecting significant works.
 


kevo

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It's a share of freehold. 999 year lease thingy. Maintenance charge of about £1200 per year.

As a cash buyer, do folk normally go in with lower offers ? It is slightly more than I am comfortable paying ? But not much. Obviously I need a property report done. I wondered if I should take out an insurance if I make an offer against things like gazumping. It happened before.
Yes, you're more attractive to a seller as a cash buyer so you should consider putting an offer in below asking price. I've just bought a flat as a cash buyer and got it 5k below asking. Not a great deal, but the property had already been reduced twice.
 


kevo

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I had a look at the accounts in company house. Looks like the Freehold surplus is £19,000 at present. I'd need to check if they are expecting significant works.
That will be covered in the forms they fill in for your solicitor- they are called 'Section 20' works and they have to declare them. £19k in the reserve fund is a very decent amount though.
 




Herr Tubthumper

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It's a share of freehold. 999 year lease thingy. Maintenance charge of about £1200 per year.

As a cash buyer, do folk normally go in with lower offers ? It is slightly more than I am comfortable paying ? But not much. Obviously I need a property report done. I wondered if I should take out an insurance if I make an offer against things like gazumping. It happened before.
If you like it, really want it, and can afford it, tell the seller this and offer their asking price. I think this is the best approach.
 
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Zeberdi

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If you like it, really want it, and can afford it, tell the seller this and offer their asking price. I think this is the best approach.
One doesn’t tell the seller anything.

One asks the seller’s estate agent if they think the seller might go lower and would accept £5,000 off the asking price for a cash purchase - the agent will then go back to the seller to report and get back to you let you know the response.

Then you make an offer based on what the Estate Agent’s feedback is but not before.
 


Herr Tubthumper

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One doesn’t tell the seller anything.

One asks the seller’s estate agent if they think the seller might go lower and would accept £5,000 off the asking price for a cash purchase - the agent will then go back to the seller to report and get back to you let you know the response.

Then you make an offer based on what the Estate Agent’s feedback is but not before.
There‘s obviously no right or wrong here. I have bought a number of properties in my time and if I really want it I say so and offer the asking price. This has served me very well and I feel marks me out as a serious and attractive buyer…..even more so if it’s cash like the OP has.
 


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I wish that Live By The Sea was still posting, I liked his frank and forthright opinions on the property game.
 


Zeberdi

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There‘s obviously no right or wrong here. I have bought a number of properties in my time and if I really want it I say so and offer the asking price. This has served me very well and I feel marks me out as a serious and attractive buyer.
The point I was making is you don’t make an offer straight to the seller (unless he’s selling privately) - you make enquiries whether the seller might accept a lower offer through their estate agent - that way you can find out before making a formal offer whether a lower one would be accepted for this or that reason ( and then make the offer formally through your solicitor obviously) .

I have been dead serious about all the properties I have bought over the years and only paid the full asking price on one of them for legitimate reasons including getting a lower price for cash purchases on two properties in my time. I have also sold to cash buyers as a preference to someone needing a mortgage and taken a lower offer for a faster and easier sale.

But as you say, it’s your choice and a property is worth whatever someone is willing to pay for it.

Edit - TLDR

Yes, in reply to @Eeyore’s question - If I was a cash buyer, I would approach the sellers estate agents informally and ask them to inquire how the sellers would feel about reducing the ask if I would be willing to pay cash and move quickly.
 
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It's a share of freehold. 999 year lease thingy. Maintenance charge of about £1200 per year.

As a cash buyer, do folk normally go in with lower offers ? It is slightly more than I am comfortable paying ? But not much. Obviously I need a property report done. I wondered if I should take out an insurance if I make an offer against things like gazumping. It happened before.
We’ve been in Eastbourne for 3 years now and like it a lot. Plenty going on, nice seafront, beautiful walks on Beachy Head etc. Some parts are nicer than others of course, same as anywhere, so depends where you’re thinking of.

You can certainly go in with a lower offer for cash. Much depends on various factors eg how long the property has been on the market, whether it’s been reduced already, how keen the owner is to sell etc. Don’t be afraid to talk frankly with the estate agent. Yes, the agent is there to represent the seller but in my experience, they will be very open to a cosy chat with the buyer too simply because they want a sale and their commission. Tell the agent your position and be sincere. What I mean is that agents have to deal with large numbers of time wasters who drift around, pretending to be interested, talking bullshit about their finances etc. Be engaged and enthusiastic, make it clear that you’re not a time waster, you can offer proof if requested of your funds etc BUT you don’t want to be mucked about. Your budget was, you tell them, a bit below the asking price but if the seller agrees, you’re willing to get things moving quickly. You’re a man of your word. As long as the survey is ok, you will keep your side of the bargain as long as the seller keeps theirs. Of course, none of this means anything legally but it’s possible to apply a bit of emotional pressure here. Sellers also like to sell to people who are genuinely keen on their property.
 


BN9 BHA

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I wish that Live By The Sea was still posting, I liked his frank and forthright opinions on the property game.
This. :lolol: But he would be saying “ Buy in Hove as Eastbourne is dull and hasn’t got the quality coffee shops and bakeries as Church Rd”

I’m currently enjoying his regular posts in the Argus comments section.
 


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