[News] Trouble in The Dam

PascalGroß Tips · 2024-11-08T13:55:05+0000

Cheeky Monkey said:
'Pogrom' what pathetic inflammatory language. Social media does what social media does best, as seen in the recent UK riots.

I guess this is pathetic and inflammatory language from the mayor then?

PascalGroß Tips · 2024-11-08T13:58:30+0000

superseagull1994 said:
Any comment on the trouble in the days before the match were taxi drivers were attacked by Macabi fans? Or on the behaviour of those fans reported here https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cwyge1587e5t?post=asset:ca34d775-9f0c-4493-82c4-cfe9b86080c4#post

aolstudios · 2024-11-08T13:59:57+0000

Springal said:
Can’t really get upset over a few Maccabi Tel Aviv fans getting a kicking giving what their army are doing to women and kids

There are many employers who could & would sack you for that statement. (Check IHRA)
Should travelling Albion fans have 'got a kicking' (including being deliberately run over by cars) because of Iraq?

jackalbion · 2024-11-08T14:05:49+0000

aolstudios said:
There are many employers who could & would sack you for that statement. (Check IHRA)
Should travelling Albion fans have 'got a kicking' (including being deliberately run over by cars) because of Iraq?

With all respect, people did get a kicking for simply being/looking English on our European tour (they put you in jail for that now), but it wasn't reported as such. Theres a lot of context here, with all respect having a bit of knowledge of Israeli Ultras and their Ultras movement, while it doesn't justify the actions of targeting all fans, they've put a target on themselves with other actions, which could have been avoided. Israeli ultras are no immune from political posturing and following factions, to me, this just seems some football related violence spiling over into politics.

jcdenton08 · 2024-11-08T14:12:23+0000

jackalbion said:
With all respect, people did get a kicking for simply being/looking English (they put you in jail for that now), but it wasn't reported as such. Theres a lot of context here, with all respect having a bit of knowledge of Israeli Ultras and their Ultras movement, while it doesn't justify the actions of targeting all fans, they've put a target on themselves with other actions, which could have been avoided. Israeli ultras are no immune from political posturing and following factions, to me, this just seems some football related violence spiling over into politics.

This is also how I see it.

:J) · 2024-11-08T14:12:28+0000

Zeberdi · 2024-11-08T14:18:39+0000

Wardy's twin said:
But a key point to stress is that prior to 7th October they could play (limited) football but on that day Hamas on behalf of the people of Gaza declared war on Israel by attacking civilians in a most brutal way which was only ever intended to provoke a brutal response which has happened.

I don't condone what is happening, it was predictable. But equally I wonder what people's reaction on here would be if France had attacked us like that and made statements that they want to eliminate all the English.

Regards the fighting in Netherlands , again predictable and I am surprised that they were allowed to travel but I guess it might give Netanyahu more ammunition for his claims of oppression. Unfortunately I suspect it is the innocent fans who come of worse on both sides.

Not really - I made my point - which was my first thought was at least the Israeli fans were able to go and watch the team they support. Football in Gaza was never ‘limited’ - they had their own Premier League and their own National team and football academies.

Edit - just commenting on the football angle - Not really interested in getting embroiled in another Gaza thread about whose fault it all is - one thread is enough and this one will go pear shaped soon I suspect

jackalbion · 2024-11-08T14:19:17+0000

May I also say that going around asking people for ID to prove they aren't Jewish/Israeli is also completely reprehensible.

Springal · 2024-11-08T14:21:25+0000

aolstudios said:
There are many employers who could & would sack you for that statement. (Check IHRA)
Should travelling Albion fans have 'got a kicking' (including being deliberately run over by cars) because of Iraq?

If an Albion fan was singing ‘let the British army win f*** the Arabs’ then yes they probably would have

I’ve travelled all over the world with England and have no sympathy with troublemakers who get a kicking. Especially if they are politically chanting or antagonising based on a grim war

aolstudios · 2024-11-08T14:23:51+0000

jackalbion said:
May I also say that going around asking people for ID to prove they aren't Jewish is also completely reprehensible.

But if they are we shouldn't "get upset if they get a kicking" when they fail that test. According to Springal

jackalbion · 2024-11-08T14:26:44+0000

aolstudios said:
But if they are we shouldn't "get upset if they get a kicking" when they fail that test. According to you

I don't think I ever said that? But do please go off.

Springal · 2024-11-08T14:26:45+0000

aolstudios said:
But if they are we shouldn't "get upset if they get a kicking" if they fa5that test. According to you

Are you ok?

Anyway I’m not sure why you are merging together being Jewish and Israeli, sounds a bit racist to me

aolstudios · 2024-11-08T14:27:43+0000

jackalbion said:
I don't think I ever said that? But do please go off.

Sorry. Edited.
Springal said that

superseagull1994 · 2024-11-08T14:28:26+0000

PascalGroß Tips said:
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Amsterdam police chief Peter Holla said Maccabi supporters attacked a taxi and set a Palestinian flag on fire on Wednesday, the day before the widespread attacks on Israelis"

Should I believe the police or them?

jackalbion · 2024-11-08T14:28:35+0000

aolstudios said:
Sorry. Edited.
Springal said that

Maybe if you spent 5 minutes reading something, before spouting off without context, then you might not do that again.

Ali_rrr · 2024-11-08T14:28:42+0000

jackalbion said:
May I also say that going around asking people for ID to prove they aren't Jewish is also completely reprehensible.

So 2 friends of mine who went to the game speaking English were told to speak Dutch or Arabic or they'd be punched. They showed their ID and are hugely shaken up.

What astounds me, is that it was the commemoration of Kristalnacht yesterday in Amsterdam as well as a team from Israel coming to town. The NCTV (Anti terrorism unit) saw absolutely no threat. I mean, really? The authorities were incredibly slow to deal with it too which is why there's an even bigger outrage here.

The issue is a lot of these people came from all over The Netherlands to cause trouble; I saw it on snapchat accounts I follow calling for it. The vast majority of people who came do not see it as a Palestine v Israel issue, rather an Islam v Jewish issue.

aolstudios · 2024-11-08T14:29:15+0000

Springal said:
Are you ok?

Anyway I’m not sure why you are merging together being Jewish and Israeli, sounds a bit racist to me

I was quoting the guys doing the attacking.
& you

aolstudios · 2024-11-08T14:30:24+0000

Ali_rrr said:
So 2 friends of mine who went to the game speaking English were told to speak Dutch or Arabic or they'd be punched. They showed their ID and are hugely shaken up.

What astounds me, is that it was the commemoration of Kristalnacht yesterday in Amsterdam as well as a team from Israel coming to town. The NCTV (Anti terrorism unit) saw absolutely no threat. I mean, really? The authorities were incredibly slow to deal with it too which is why there's an even bigger outrage here.

The issue is a lot of these people came from all over The Netherlands to cause trouble; I saw it on snapchat accounts I follow calling for it. The vast majority of people who came do not see it as a Palestine v Israel issue, rather an Islam v Jewish issue.

Well, exactly

jackalbion · 2024-11-08T14:32:14+0000

Ali_rrr said:
So 2 friends of mine who went to the game speaking English were told to speak Dutch or Arabic or they'd be punched. They showed their ID and are hugely shaken up.

What astounds me, is that it was the commemoration of Kristalnacht yesterday in Amsterdam as well as a team from Israel coming to town. The NCTV (Anti terrorism unit) saw absolutely no threat. I mean, really? The authorities were incredibly slow to deal with it too which is why there's an even bigger outrage here.

The issue is a lot of these people came from all over The Netherlands to cause trouble; I saw it on snapchat accounts I follow calling for it. The vast majority of people who came do not see it as a Palestine v Israel issue, rather an Islam v Jewish issue.

It does seem a massive failing of the Dutch police force, a lot of games involving Israeli sides have been played behind closed doors. People have come all over the Netherlands to cause trouble, and at the same time, Maccabi Tel Aviv Ultras turned up acting like complete helmets, just a mess of a situation really.

Springal · 2024-11-08T14:32:24+0000

aolstudios said:
I was quoting the guys doing the attacking.
& you

Can you explain why the travelling fans bought the war and the IDF into it when it’s a football match? Easy to find on social media flags and stickers being plastered all over the place yesterday of people serving in the IDF and political , antagonistic slogans

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