[Misc] Kemi Badenoch confirmed as new Tory leader

Rdodge30 said:

Reform effectively are simply Liberal lite in the same way that UKIP were before them. not in policy but in their effect on the make up of parliament. Nobody who votes Liberal expect them to win a majority and form a Government, their number of seats in the house generally rise and fall based on how pissed off the electorate are with the Conservative Party. I accept that some Liberal MP’s get elected for local constituency reasons.

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A1X said:

One’s a statesman, the other’s an obnoxious shit. He’s going to wipe the floor with her.

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Bry Nylon said:

I wouldn’t be so sure.

Starmer is a calm, measured, forensic sort of chap who obsesses about ‘the rules.’

Badenoch doesn’t give a shit about the rules. She’s an absolute street fighter who considers no blow to be too low.

I would imagine there willl be a lot if strategising going on at Labour HQ about how best to handle her, because in a straight fight across the Dispatch Box she’ll smash Starmer.

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Bry Nylon said:

I wouldn’t be so sure.

Starmer is a calm, measured, forensic sort of chap who obsesses about ‘the rules.’

Badenoch doesn’t give a shit about the rules. She’s an absolute street fighter who considers no blow to be too low.

I would imagine there willl be a lot if strategising going on at Labour HQ about how best to handle her, because in a straight fight across the Dispatch Box she’ll smash Starmer.

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Sid and the Sharknados said:

Smash in the sense of producing some videos with click-baity titles like "Badenoch DESTROYS Starmer!", probably.

Smash in the sense of convincing anybody outside the existing minority of people who already agree with her, perhaps not. We'll see. Prime Minister's Questions rarely has any bearing on anything anyway.

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A1X said:

Oh she’ll definitely appeal to people who think “shouty people are good politicians”. Fortunately that’s quite a small constituency.

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Bry Nylon said:

She’s not shouty, though

She just says what she wants to say and doesn’t give a shit what anyone thinks.

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Sid and the Sharknados said:

The thing is, appearing not to give a shit what people think is normally considered a positive.

Actually not giving a shit what anyone thinks leads to being what's normally considered a "****". And isn't a good way to convince people you're right.

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chip said:

The proud scouser with an apprentice degree, Gillian Keegan, managed to lose a 22500 majority here. I think the local constiuency reason for electing a Liberal was that Ms Keegan was not very good at anything. I think the electorate here was reasonably well pissed off with the Conservatives, they'd been losing seats on the District Council to the Liberals for some time.

In neighbouring Havant, the Conservatives held the seat with Labour second and Reform not far behind. I've never understood how Havant (which makes Crawley look nice) is so Conservative. Those pissed off in Havant voted Reform and 100 more of them would have meant a Labour win.

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Weststander said:

Hunt? Even by Labour/Green supporters I've never heard him slagged off (away from the tiny nsc bubble where every Tory for 20 years has been hated).

IDS, Truss, Kwarteng, Braverman, Patel and all the foxhunters ... widely despised.

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sparkie said:

Hunt was slagged off mercilessly when he was Health Secretary. One of the most hated politicians at that

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Right Brain Ronnie said:

Keir is screwed when it comes to question time, can't wait to watch him squirm and recoil and then slither back to number 10.

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Sid and the Sharknados said:

Wilson won a majority in double figures once. In 64 and the 2nd 74 election he had majorities of 4 and 3, and the 1st '74 election led to a hung parliament. He also had to hold a referendum on leaving Europe.

By contrast, Brexit was the result of the Conservatives winning a majority in parliament from a much smaller percentage of the vote. The same 2015 election that saw the SNP turn about 50% of the vote into 95% of the seats.

The greatest con trick ever played is people being convinced that FPTP leads to stability, and that all the "unusual" results are in any way unusual.

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Rdodge30 said:

I’m seriously considering a theory whereby, regardless of the political affiliations of the governments past, present and future - and almost entirely due to the nature of the political and social problems both worldwide and nationwide intensifying and worsening as time moves on, every UK government now and in the future will be worse than the last.

With the current incumbents, it is far, far too early to call it YET……. but I think I could be on to something.

Worrying.

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sparkie said:

Do you live in a parallel dimension ?

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Hugo Rune said:

I can’t remember the last time a PM appeared on Question Time. I suppose ‘Right Brain’ assumes that there will be a change to this convention.

But old Ron has an ‘opinion’ and is, I suspect, one of those folks who lives a life where the validation of opinions with fact or evidence is unwarranted.

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Bry Nylon said:

She’s not shouty, though

She just says what she wants to say and doesn’t give a shit what anyone thinks.

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Guinness Boy said:

Give me a shout when SKS has criminally broken rules he introduced himself, there’s been a budget that crashes the economy and doubles borrowing costs, the whole country’s on strike and the government haven’t put any money aside for the infected blood and Post Office victims

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