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[Politics] The 2024 US Election - *MATCH DAY*

Who will win the 2024 Presidential Election?

  • President Joe Biden - Democrat

    Votes: 3 0.7%
  • Donald Trump - Republican

    Votes: 173 41.9%
  • Vice President, Kamala Harris - Democrat

    Votes: 217 52.5%
  • Other Democratic candidate tbc

    Votes: 20 4.8%

  • Total voters
    413
  • This poll will close: .








Mellotron

I've asked for soup
Jul 2, 2008
32,482
Brighton
Someone saying they’re 99% sure of something would put their view of the odds at 1/100. Harris is 6/4. It’s a silly, exaggerated Twitter claim no matter what’s going on.

It would be reasonable to argue Harris should be the favourite given the evidence, though.
Oh yes I agree with that. 99% is too far.

I do however think it is starting to look like she will win, and that it MIGHT be more comfortable than many expect.
 


tedebear

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Jul 7, 2003
17,117
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Got any examples? Genuinely curious.

Was reading it in these two:


 


Mellotron

I've asked for soup
Jul 2, 2008
32,482
Brighton
Was reading it in these two:


The recent Trump surge was incredibly suspicious.

Given everything that’s come before, it’s hard not to think we will hear in a few months or years that there was dodgy polling going on.
 




Zeberdi

“Vorsprung durch Technik”
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Oct 20, 2022
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Interesting article in the Guardina about polling

Yes indeed.

Basically backing up what I said above and have been saying for several days - the polling is not reliable enough for people to be calling a result here for one party or the other.

I certainly would not trust all these tweets flooding X (Elon Musk in charge of the chicken coop doesn’t give me much confidence!)) nor take anything the betting odds suggest seriously.
 


Eeyore

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Apr 5, 2014
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You understand what’s happening with the betting patterns?
I'm not sure the betting as it is, or the patterns, really matter. I'd offer BREXIT as an indicator. And early poll analysis is corruptible with the power of emphasis. I'd say it's a case of we won't know until Wednesday or whenever it is. It's even harder to work out what is going on over there than it is here. Truth is in the eye of the beholder.
 


Mellotron

I've asked for soup
Jul 2, 2008
32,482
Brighton
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Money where mouth is. If I’m wrong I’m wrong.
 




Mellotron

I've asked for soup
Jul 2, 2008
32,482
Brighton
I'm not sure the betting as it is, or the patterns, really matter. I'd offer BREXIT as an indicator. And early poll analysis is corruptible with the power of emphasis. I'd say it's a case of we won't know until Wednesday or whenever it is. It's even harder to work out what is going on over there than it is here. Truth is in the eye of the beholder.
There was no early voting with Brexit.

One of the main reasons I have some confidence is that all early actual quantifiable data looks pretty positive for Harris.
 
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tedebear

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The recent Trump surge was incredibly suspicious.

Given everything that’s come before, it’s hard not to think we will hear in a few months or years that there was dodgy polling going on.

Indeed, the only thing (even though Trump won't believe it if he loses) that remains to be fact will be the actual votes now....
 






nwgull

Well-known member
Jul 25, 2003
14,533
Manchester
I'd like that to be true. But I'm 'meh' about it. It's just lone voices in Twitter.
Jon Ralston, a well-respected Nevada iournalist, does not seem to be saying the same thing. In terms of early voting by voters with registered affiliation, the Reps are ahead. Obviously registered Reps can vote for Harris.
 


Zeberdi

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Oct 20, 2022
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There was no early voting with Brexit.

One of the main reasons I have some confidence is that all early actual quantifiable data looks pretty positive for Harris.
You are assuming that votes for each candidate have been counted - they haven’t. Just the number of voters. There is no way of telling who they voted for except by assuming that in States where you have to register an affiliation with a Party to vote, those that all registered with Republicans will vote Trump and all those that registered as Democrats, will vote Harris and then guess how many of those are swing voters - there is no onus on voting for the affiliated party so it is just not verifiable data.

Also, Republicans tend more to vote in person on Election day rather than mail in ballots - early voting in person is probably about even.
 


bhafc99

Well-known member
Oct 14, 2003
7,456
Dubai
Indeed, the only thing (even though Trump won't believe it if he loses) that remains to be fact will be the actual votes now....
Actual votes are pretty irrelevant in Trump’s dodgy plan to fiddle the Electoral College.
 




Mellotron

I've asked for soup
Jul 2, 2008
32,482
Brighton
You are assuming that votes for each candidate have been counted - they haven’t. Just the number of voters. There is no way of telling who they voted for except by assuming that in States where you have to register an affiliation with a Party to vote, those that all registered with Republicans will vote Trump and all those that registered as Democrats, will vote Harris and then guess how many of those are swing voters - there is no onus on voting for the affiliated party so it is just not verifiable data.

Also, Republicans tend more to vote in person on Election day rather than mail in ballots - early voting in person is probably about even.
I’m fully aware of all of this.

I haven’t assumed the votes have been counted for each candidate at all.
 


Triggaaar

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Oct 24, 2005
53,220
Goldstone
Jon Ralston, a well-respected Nevada iournalist, does not seem to be saying the same thing. In terms of early voting by voters with registered affiliation, the Reps are ahead. Obviously registered Reps can vote for Harris.

Well someone's very wrong then. How do we find the truth?
 


Eeyore

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Apr 5, 2014
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Mellotron

I've asked for soup
Jul 2, 2008
32,482
Brighton
The thread behind the prediction is interesting

 


Greg Bobkin

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May 22, 2012
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Jeez! How many more days of this predictive guesswork bollocks?!
 


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