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[Albion] Mats Wieffer SINGS on 5 year contract
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pigmanovich
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Igor’s are too as it happens, have been for a little while now as I checked before today’s game. Doesn’t reflect well on us.
Weststander
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A player 75 yards from his own goal woefully cedes possession.
Why should that be THE cause of a goal conceded at the other end? What were the 6 other Albion outfield players doing after that? And why were so many piled forward? Shocking game management.
When I had Sky Sports I used to love the Monday evening analysis bit from 7pm to 8pm. When there was an instance of this ilk, ex players who knew an awful lot eg Neville would go through all the mistakes leading to the goal, not just the headline catching first mistake and witchunt.
American Seagle
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Yes 99/100 there is a shot. But even if there is a shot sometimes the keeper saves and starts a break. The younger players need to mature and realize the situation and play to it. Hurzeler has hinted at it already so I do think this will be a good thing long term for us.Is it? That chance was a huge xG. 99 times out of 100 you get a shot away.
This analysis suggested it comes from the coach and normally works. See “numerical advantage”
Fabian Hürzeler - St. Pauli - Tactical Analysis - The Football Analyst
St. Pauli's success under Hürzeler can be attributed to his meticulous attention to detail and adaptability in various match situations.the-footballanalyst.com
Jimmy Grimble
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I’m sorry but have you ever played football?
What could the defenders have done differently? Some very minor things but ultimately they played the situation they were presented with as you would expect.
What you don’t expect is a player to hit a Sunday League level pass. All he had to do was pause for half a second. Showed no composure, technical ability or awareness of the situation.
To try and put any significant blame on the defenders is laughable.
Igor absolutely, did not do well, he backed off to such an extent, it was an easier shot.
As soon as the Wolves player entered the area he should have been as close as possible, not continue to go backwards.
Weststander
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At 2-1 the team should have been shored up defensively. If you’d ever played football you’d know that.
I’d imagine many pro sportsmen’s are.
I’ve no idea why footballers don’t restrict their Insta and X comments. They can still show off but do they really want to read Joe from Whitehawk’s opinion on their five minute sub appearance?
Jimmy Grimble
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So you have no answer to what the defenders should’ve done differently then?
The team executed a very good high press to win back the ball, of course we had men high up the pitch.
You seem to think the defenders should’ve done better. Clueless.
Not significant blame, but as per my other post, Igor should have been a lot closer, he had way too much time.
You simply cannot back off to the penalty spot, you have to approach the attacking player, any half decent coach would tell you that.
It doesn’t excuse the ridiculous 4 on 1, but there was definitely an area for improvement.
Iggle Piggle
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Sometimes you have to nail your colours. I'm fence normally, however..
Weiffer will be back in the windmill league this time next year. He's been utterly shit in every game he's played. I've seen enough shit players over the years to spot one when I see one and by all means bounce this if I am wrong.
Positioning. Awful
Weight of pass. Dog shit. Not just today
Performances : dire. Albeit thought he stopped the rot in the Wolves Carabao game
Physicality: pretty good to be fair. Bit of bite which we badly needed last year but Baleba has stepped up and is miles better.
Crucially, potential : I don't get where the improvement comes from. He just looks a bit slow and ponderous.
Glitch in the algorithm.
Weiffer will be back in the windmill league this time next year. He's been utterly shit in every game he's played. I've seen enough shit players over the years to spot one when I see one and by all means bounce this if I am wrong.
Positioning. Awful
Weight of pass. Dog shit. Not just today
Performances : dire. Albeit thought he stopped the rot in the Wolves Carabao game
Physicality: pretty good to be fair. Bit of bite which we badly needed last year but Baleba has stepped up and is miles better.
Crucially, potential : I don't get where the improvement comes from. He just looks a bit slow and ponderous.
Glitch in the algorithm.
Weststander
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That’s you, obviously.
A professional football team should try to see out a win. Gung-ho piling forward is utter madness.
We could have closed the break better. We could have sat in a low block.
But you score from a four on one almost all the time unless a player loses concentration and drifts offside or unless Mats Wieffer gifts it to the one Donny vaguely attempting to defend.
Jimmy Grimble
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Still no answer
Come on, tell how the defenders were more at fault than Wieffer for that goal…sussex_guy2k2
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I appreciate the argument that they shouldn’t have all bombed forward. I agree they could’ve managed this situation better. In hindsight, Weiffer would’ve handled it better by simply taking the ball to the corner. But he didn’t. He saw he had 3 teammates to his left and decided instead to pass the ball to the one remaining opposing defender, leaving us totally open to a counter and out numbered. And I don’t blame those three players because you can’t legislate for a player playing that situation as poorly as Weiffer did. He did absolutely everything wrong, and that’s on him.
In terms of the counter, we were out numbered. If you watch it again Igor essentially was 1v3 on that side and does well to slow them down. You could argue others should’ve come across, but Lamptey had a man, Veltman had a man, and one of the two runnners either side of Cunha pulled across to block JPHV, with the other overlapping him, meaning Igor couldn’t commit. Anyone objectively watching that sees a great bit of counter attacking play by Wolves.
The person, aside from Weiffer who should take the blame is the manager. His 4-1-0-4-1 formation is great when you’re dominating games, but the moment teams press us 1v1 at the back, as Wolves did today, it makes it difficult for us to play out and leaves us so open to the counter. A good manager closes today’s game out. He’s yet to prove he’s even close to that. This is the third of four home games I’ve seen where he’s been outplayed tactically (I missed Spurs), and it really is concerning how he’s not seeing these problems and managing us tactically within games.
Weststander
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Still no answer
Because the defenders and centre midfielders should’ve all stayed back in defensive shape, once the ball was won. Elementary stuff in seeing a win out.
Bozza’s screenshot shows 6 Albion players in their half, just 2 Wolves outfield players.
WTF.
So how don’t you score from that?
Definitely.
I was literally preparing to celebrate. Mad to even be in that position In a professional game. It was like a kids park game when the shit teams ribena high had run out and the good team were running through to take the piss.
To go from that to 2-2
Gah.
sussex_guy2k2
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I disagree having seen it back. If he commits then Cunha just plays it to the player to his right for an even easier chance than the one he scored from. I actually think Igor defended it as well as could’ve been expected given all the factors. I don’t think Dunk would’ve defended it differently or any better (although I don’t think Dunk would’ve allowed Estupinian to be as high as he was). I certainly wouldn’t be apportioning Igor even 1% of the blame I’m laying at Weiffer’s door.
Weststander
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A miss pass. These things happen, didn’t one of our goals today lead from a Wolves cock up?
Rolling the dice with just 4 players back defending a slender lead, I still think is poor.