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[News] Undercover: Exposing the far right. Channel 4



highflyer

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Watching now. Extraordinary and important.
Lots of shocking stuff.
Particularly interesting to me is the explanation of the deliberate (and obviously successful) tactics used to shift the Overton window to make 'mild' racist/anti-immigration sentiments feel mainstream and acceptable.
 




wellquickwoody

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highflyer said:
Watching now. Extraordinary and important.
Lots of shocking stuff.
Particularly interesting to me is the explanation of the deliberate (and obviously successful) tactics used to shift the Overton window to make 'mild' racist/anti-immigration sentiments feel mainstream and acceptable.
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Wow!

That is bloody early to get in and accuse others of what they would (rightly in my view) throw at you. The spectrum of what is PC has shifted enormously to the left over the last couple of decades. There are a multitude of examples in all areas of life. Over here folks can claim to be indigenous at which point it becomes racist to question this declaration. A cake maker in the UK refused a contract to produce a cake for a gay wedding and ended up in court!

I will not get drawn into a game of who has the most/better examples but any fairminded person would not question that the window of discourse has favoured the left in recent years.
 




beorhthelm

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Comrade Sam said:
It's funny that, how all those years of Tory rule and yet we can only speak the way the far left want. Or maybe the culture wars are just a load of bulshit to distract us from the way Etonians have stolen everything and put the blame on refugees, Muslims and Transgender people.
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:lolol: funny how you casually blame a group for something you don't like, while accusing others of the same thing.
 


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Comrade Sam said:
It's funny that, how all those years of Tory rule and yet we can only speak the way the far left want. Or maybe the culture wars are just a load of bulshit to distract us from the way Etonians have stolen everything and put the blame on refugees, Muslims and Transgender people.
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And bombarded by all that left wing media, the Daily Ma…rx
 




DavidinSouthampton

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wellquickwoody said:
Wow!

That is bloody early to get in and accuse others of what they would (rightly in my view) throw at you. The spectrum of what is PC has shifted enormously to the left over the last couple of decades. There are a multitude of examples in all areas of life. Over here folks can claim to be indigenous at which point it becomes racist to question this declaration. A cake maker in the UK refused a contract to produce a cake for a gay wedding and ended up in court!

I will not get drawn into a game of who has the most/better examples but any fairminded person would not question that the window of discourse has favoured the left in recent years.
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I think the programme this is about is on a different level to the sort of thing you’re talking about.
 




rogersix

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wellquickwoody said:
Wow!

That is bloody early to get in and accuse others of what they would (rightly in my view) throw at you. The spectrum of what is PC has shifted enormously to the left over the last couple of decades. There are a multitude of examples in all areas of life. Over here folks can claim to be indigenous at which point it becomes racist to question this declaration. A cake maker in the UK refused a contract to produce a cake for a gay wedding and ended up in court!

I will not get drawn into a game of who has the most/better examples but any fairminded person would not question that the window of discourse has favoured the left in recent years.
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That's because it's historically been far right, it's a re-balancing, or progress, if you will
 






Bold Seagull

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wellquickwoody said:
Wow!

That is bloody early to get in and accuse others of what they would (rightly in my view) throw at you. The spectrum of what is PC has shifted enormously to the left over the last couple of decades. There are a multitude of examples in all areas of life. Over here folks can claim to be indigenous at which point it becomes racist to question this declaration. A cake maker in the UK refused a contract to produce a cake for a gay wedding and ended up in court!

I will not get drawn into a game of who has the most/better examples but any fairminded person would not question that the window of discourse has favoured the left in recent years.
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I’m not sure being against discrimination is the preserve of the left. I would imagine many of our posters centre or right of centre would be against discrimination whether a cake, employment or anything else.

As someone else said, it’s just progressive, society doesn’t stand still and hasn’t done. Some just don’t like that left or right.
 


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wellquickwoody said:
Wow!

That is bloody early to get in and accuse others of what they would (rightly in my view) throw at you. The spectrum of what is PC has shifted enormously to the left over the last couple of decades. There are a multitude of examples in all areas of life. Over here folks can claim to be indigenous at which point it becomes racist to question this declaration. A cake maker in the UK refused a contract to produce a cake for a gay wedding and ended up in court!

I will not get drawn into a game of who has the most/better examples but any fairminded person would not question that the window of discourse has favoured the left in recent years.
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Good!

I recall when it was perfectly acceptably to have sexist and racists 'bantz' at work. And I was working in a hospital at the time.

This has little or nothing to do with 'right' and 'left'. It has more to do with '****' and 'not ****'.

(and it seems quit clear where Australia fits on this spectrum. 1978-ish)
 




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Thunder Bolt said:
It’s well known that Margaret Thatcher didn't want to have Etonians in her cabinet. She sacked 4 of them in 83.
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That's because she regarded them as 'wet'.

Thatcher was really quite weird.
 


Insel affe

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I watched an hour and will watch the other hour tonight, the money aspect from high tech in America and the pioneer fund is all very worrying and smacks of strings being pulled in the background, by powers that be almost, if one was inclined to think that way. American authorities, be it homeland security, FBI or whoever could shut that down in a heartbeat if they so wished.

I am looking forward to the next hour tonight to see what else comes out.
 








Nobby Cybergoat

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Harry Wilson's tackle said:
This has little or nothing to do with 'right' and 'left'. It has more to do with '****' and 'not ****'.
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Totally agree that I don't really see what the labels left or right add in this context. But **** is a personal opinion. Many people love Tommy Robinson and Andrew Tate. Many equally despised Nelson Mandela.

In my mind, the basic values that you would teach your kids at a young age cover all of this stuff. Try to be kind. Try to treat other people how you would want to be treated yourself if you were in that position
 




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wellquickwoody said:
A cake maker in the UK refused a contract to produce a cake for a gay wedding and ended up in court!

I will not get drawn into a game of who has the most/better examples but any fairminded person would not question that the window of discourse has favoured the left in recent years.
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Best not to, as the cake maker won their case on appeal and we wouldn't want you to appear completely ignorant of actual facts in your rants :laugh:
 






BBassic

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Nobby Cybergoat said:
In my mind, the basic values that you would teach your kids at a young age cover all of this stuff. Try to be kind. Try to treat other people how you would want to be treated yourself if you were in that position
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I don't think that's enough anymore unfortunately. The influence of social media can't be underestimated.

It's entirely possible someone can do their very best as a parent and their kid still be shaped by what they're consuming online.
 


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