warmleyseagull
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I agree he is good going forward and have a feeling Ferdi/Solly combo could be dynamic allowing them to alternate. Solly is good defensively, arguably almost a WB.
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[Albion] Ferdi Kadioglu **Singed 27/08/24**
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As a Fenerbahce fan that also follows Brighton games since I know Ferdi from the early days he joined our club (I think he was around 15-16 yo) I did not like this input. While I agree Turkish league is not as hard as English one, but the top 3 of that league can easily be top 5 in Dutch, French and Portugal for instance, and probably mid-table in EPL.
Fenerbahce plays Europe consistently and gets okay results. So it's not like Ferdi was some secret gem nobody knew in a relegation team of second division of Brazil. He was among the top 3 or top 5 in creating chances or key passes in the Euros, almost close to KDB. And Ferdi was trained by great coaches, Philip Cocu, Vitor, Vítor Pereira, Jorge Jesus. All of these coaches had championship trophies in Europe or saw finals in European competitions. I am a little sad that Ferdi had to leave without working with Mou, but I am not sure if it would give him a new mentality since I believe Mou is better at boosting players with, I hate to say it, but third or second world nationality players. Ferdi is half Dutch, he would prefer a professional coach than a moral-boosting coach in my opinion.
As for my personal input for Ferdi.. When he came to this club he was just a kid that likes to play in offensive middle or in the wings. He showed quality but was not consistent. I think it was Vitor that made him defensive back. I've been watching him for years every week since then.
I think if you want to get best out of him you have to play 3-5-2. He will never be great with 4-3-3 unless you find someone on the left wing with game-making, ball holding qualities like Dusan Tadic. Ferdi shined behind him as he would get the ball, turn his back to the opponent and hold the ball until Ferdi dribbles through corner line or gets into a position in front of the box to deliver a good cross. You have seen him delivering nice crosses when he is around the box, he will probably score a banger from there eventually as well. But if you expect him to be a defensive beast that no fast player will get past him, I think Ferdi option wasn't the best here. He was never great defensively. What made him special there he was good with the ball when the game gets stuck there and he has clean tackles. Other than that you have a solid back that can cover his back while he is dribbling.
One final note about him, some days he plays bad. Good thing about that you will eventually realize he knows he is playing bad. He even admits it in the post game interviews and you can see him in the pitch he is trying to compensate his previous mistakes by running 3x more than he does. His mistakes usually involves bad passing choices when pressed in the defense, or getting past by after an unmature tackle. In those matches he tries to play more guaranteed and tries to do 1-2 great things, this was my problem with him because we always needed his magic instead of his guaranteed play.
Currently I see him playing more guaranteed to understand the dynamics of the league, I hope he won't be keeping that too long and you will see what he is. He is defensively better at right wing, offensively better at left wing. I always wanted to see him playing n8 but nobody was brave enough to try. Maybe 1-2 matches I don't remember. He is a true baller that will play the entire season 90mins back to back without single complaint. No problems with coaches, no mentality problems, no nightlife problem, I always loved professional people like that and that's why I will always be cheering for your team as long as he is there!
Jimmy Grimble
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So… we essentially signed another winger?
His brief stints in defence so far match up with what you’ve said. It’ll be interesting to see if he fares any differently against teams who will sit deeper and let us have the ball. You’d suspect he’ll look much better as an overlapping fullback than he does chasing back to his own goal or when trying to get tight to his winger.
He will have to get better at defending regardless of where he ends up being used most, but I’d be surprised if the club didn’t view this signing as a long-term Veltman/Pervis replacement. Hopefully some time with the coaches and observing Veltman closely will see some improvements in his defensive abilities.
AstroSloth
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He was 18 or 19 when he joined Fernerbahce.
He came through the academy at NEC in the Netherlands and played for around 2 seasons in the first team before leaving.
I didn't check his actual age but on the pitch he looked not older than me at my 16's lol.
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Great overview.... I've seen enough to know he will find his feet in the PL.
sussex_guy2k2
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Playing in a defensive position on your wrong side is really difficult, so there’s a lot of reason to believe he’d be better on the right.
Johnny RoastBeef
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I think this is a classic case of Brighton back filling a position.
Veltman's contract is up at the end of the season and it makes sense that we have bought Ferdi to fill the void.
He now has a full season to get to grips with the league, without the pressure of being first choice.
The same might be said for Wieffer and Milner.
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He himself has stated he prefers playing on the left.
He may prefer it, but it may not be right for the team.
Green Cross Code Man
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Even on his debut when he was shaky and finding his feet, he placed a pass that was almost impossibly good the way it threaded between various opposition players. It was Vicenteesque. Vicente was known for his incredible footwork, I don't think I have ever seen a player with such deft close control (Peter Ward was similar in that way) but his passing was amazing. Only a top player has such vision and the ability to see an opportunity where others would see nothing. Ferdi is in my opinion, a top class player with top class passing, I am very impressed by that aspect of his game, it is exciting and although subbed against Spurs, I think for the most part, he was excellent.
Unusually, you're wrong this time;
Interesting takes.
It doesn't surprise me. I imagine he was a winger for most of his youth career. The normal way of ending up a left- or right back in the Netherlands is through someone else being a better winger.
That Ferdi realises when he's playing bad is quite obvious. Since he came on in his first game and almost gave a goal away through poor ball control at an attacking corner, he's looked like he has no confidence whatsoever in his own ability. Looking at clips from Turkey, I see a very productive, almost two-footed player willing to take initatives. Whereas so far for us, he doesn't dare to make a pass with his left foot or play a constructive pass. We try a daring but controlled kind of build up, but once it gets to him he just launches it in panic.
Interesting point re: 4-3-3 vs 3-5-2. He does look like a player for the latter and maybe we would have played 3 at the back more if we had managed to sign another classy CB in the transfer window. But more likely he will have to adapt to play in a four man backline.
Green Cross Code Man
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Untrue, he's made several outstanding passes and crosses that clearly demonstrate his ability. The rest of his game will catch up as he gets up to speed with the PL. I thought he looked very classy at times against spurs.
I mean he has a very nice right foot and can certainly both pass and cross, which he has indeed shown several times on the opponents half. He had some nice interplays with Mitoma against Spurs, but in build up it was a disaster imo. Verbruggen or a central defender giving it to Ferdi on the left, a Spurs player comes pressing and Ferdi uses his right foot to kick a chancy ball up the centre of the pitch. At some point Verbruggen just thought "f*** it" and preferred putting it into the stands rather than trying to pass the nerve wreck left back.
He's been good when we're attacking. The problem, as seen against Chelsea and Tottenham, is that it is very difficult to build attacks when a player is looking as uncomfortable as he does when we're deep into our own half of the pitch. His skill is obvious, but mentally he isn't there yet; we're conceding a lot of goals and possession with him on the pitch and much less so without him.
I would be very surprised to see him start against Newcastle.
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He’s not wrong though, Ferdi said “left back” himself in one of the videos shortly after he joined Brighton
AstroSloth
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He came through the youth set-up at NEC Nijmegen in the Netherlands primarily as a CM. He also played a bit as a wide midfielder but it wasn't his main role.
If Hinshelwood and Estupiñán come back from international duty unscathed, then it would be odd to see him at left back. I think Pervis has that position for the foreseeable, even though Hürzeler is obsessed with an inverted left back who transforms into a kind of deep lying left midfielder.
When Ferdi first came onto Brighton’s radar, I suspect he was a winger or No.10. I thought (and still do) he’d be a brilliant right back after a season or two at Fenerbache, but it seems that Veltman has that position sown up with his great consistency.
He is too good not to get in the starting line-up regularly but it seems that he might need to find a new position (which is he the most qualified in the squad to do).
um bongo molongo
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Exactly as I see it. Although I still think we’ll need another RB as most likely neither Velts or Lamptey here next season.
beardy gull
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Seems like he had a decent game for Türkiye the other day.