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[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...



A1X

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dsr-burnley said:
Just goes to show how different things look with hindsight. In March-April 2020 when there was huge shortages of PPE and the government (and civil service) were dashing round chasing supplies from anywhere they could get them, there were few people arguing for a slow down, go through normal civil service procedures, no need for any hurry.

If they had follwed the normal procedures, extra PPE would have come on line by July or August, probably. The NHS staff would surely have understood.
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Maybe a great three word 'Bring Back Boris' campaign is exactly what the Conservative party needs just now :facepalm:

After all, with the benefit of hindsight, he was only ever misunderstood wasn't he ? :laugh:

dsr-burnley said:
Contrary to received wisdom on here, I believe that the Tories are as left wing as they have ever been. They tax more than any Labour government since Attlee, they spend ditto, they believe in immigration at levels far above any previous government of any hue. They believe in accepting EU legislation when they don't have to, they believe that criminals should not be sent to jail and should be released as early as possible if they are, they are opposed to private landlords (and by extension private tenants), and they appear to believe that all problems can be solved by more government intervention.

They need to move right, not left. They won't win votes with a policy of being just like Labour or Liberals.
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With Reform scaring the Prospective Conservative leadership into all sorts of shit, I wonder how long (or whether) proper conservatives will ever get their party back :down:
 
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Kinky Gerbil said:
I see that fat piece of shit Johnson is back promoting his book, not sure why anyone would buy it.

Blaming everyone else for him being booted out of power of course.
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With BBC Laura K actively helping him I’d imagine he’ll sell bucketloads!
 


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Kinky Gerbil said:
Snakey piece of shit?
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I’m content with fat piece of shit.

Being fat is nobody’s fault but his own. He’s not got some ailment. It’s the 4 hour, boozy, 1k lunches he loves.

Running round the back of the car for the cameras and the odd game of wiff waff won’t shed those lb’s.

He’s a fat, greedy, lying, ****.

Happy to say it.
 
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nicko31 said:
That lady could always cancel the Telegraph, that would save more than the winter fuel allowance
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I saw this as well on an X / tweet:

"Swap out the Tassimo Costa lattes (£5.00 for 6) for some nice Kenco lattes (£1.90 for 6). 2 Kenco lattes a day = £0.64. 2 Tassimos per day = £1.67. Tassimo per year = £609.55 less Kenco per year = £233.60 so saving of £375.95 per year and BOOM there's your Winter Fuel Payment."

And the first lady was a teacher, retired at 65. And we are all told repeatedly on here that teachers have gold-plated pensions!

It's poor PR from the Tories - there are plenty of people who will suffer from this change - did they not think of portraying them instead of ones that open them up to these sorts of comments?
 




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Bodian said:
I saw this as well on an X / tweet:

"Swap out the Tassimo Costa lattes (£5.00 for 6) for some nice Kenco lattes (£1.90 for 6). 2 Kenco lattes a day = £0.64. 2 Tassimos per day = £1.67. Tassimo per year = £609.55 less Kenco per year = £233.60 so saving of £375.95 per year and BOOM there's your Winter Fuel Payment."

And the first lady was a teacher, retired at 65. And we are all told repeatedly on here that teachers have gold-plated pensions!

It's poor PR from the Tories - there are plenty of people who will suffer from this change - did they not think of portraying them instead of ones that open them up to these sorts of comments?
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It just shows how inept the PR and advisers on both the Labour and Conservatives sides are.
Unbelievable really.
 




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Bodian said:
I saw this as well on an X / tweet:

"Swap out the Tassimo Costa lattes (£5.00 for 6) for some nice Kenco lattes (£1.90 for 6). 2 Kenco lattes a day = £0.64. 2 Tassimos per day = £1.67. Tassimo per year = £609.55 less Kenco per year = £233.60 so saving of £375.95 per year and BOOM there's your Winter Fuel Payment."

And the first lady was a teacher, retired at 65. And we are all told repeatedly on here that teachers have gold-plated pensions!

It's poor PR from the Tories - there are plenty of people who will suffer from this change - did they not think of portraying them instead of ones that open them up to these sorts of comments?
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It is poor PR by the Tories but it's relatively trivial compared to the PR by Labour, which I've been somewhat astonished by in the past month or two. The WFP was so poorly handled, and they've hardly been on the front foot about freebies, and have squandered considerable post-election good will, giving the usual suspects the opportunity to tarnish them with they're all the same brush.
 


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Bodian said:
I saw this as well on an X / tweet:

"Swap out the Tassimo Costa lattes (£5.00 for 6) for some nice Kenco lattes (£1.90 for 6). 2 Kenco lattes a day = £0.64. 2 Tassimos per day = £1.67. Tassimo per year = £609.55 less Kenco per year = £233.60 so saving of £375.95 per year and BOOM there's your Winter Fuel Payment."

And the first lady was a teacher, retired at 65. And we are all told repeatedly on here that teachers have gold-plated pensions!

It's poor PR from the Tories - there are plenty of people who will suffer from this change - did they not think of portraying them instead of ones that open them up to these sorts of comments?
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Tassimo lattes = quite nice. Kenco powdered lattes = tasteless gunk. Just saying.

Although I only buy the Americano XL now as they went from 8 a pack to 6 a pack on the latte ones and kept the price the same.
 


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BLOCK F said:
It just shows how inept the PR and advisers on both the Labour and Conservatives sides are.
Unbelievable really.
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It's almost if they have got interns on the social media team, they don't understand how important it is in 2024

I don't think our two major parties have any idea on how to use social media, which is a worry, the stuff they tweet out is just dumb and poorly timed.

Lib Dem's and Reform seem to have been nailing it for the past year or so.
 


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Switched my dad from a price cap tariff to a 12m fix yesterday, will save him around £200 per year. He won't miss the WFA at all. Still bemused by the way the govt have handled this though.
 




Hugo Rune

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Bodian said:
It's poor PR from the Tories - there are plenty of people who will suffer from this change - did they not think of portraying them instead of ones that open them up to these sorts of comments?
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I think it’s pretty good PR to be honest.

They are appealing to their core at the moment. They are in the middle of a leadership contest. They are not trying to convince the general public at the moment. Reasonably wealthy pensioners moaning about the WFP is exactly who they are trying to appeal to at the moment.

If you think the Tory membership gives a flying ‘F’ about pensioners who either don’t have the agency to claim the payment or fall just on the wrong side of it, you are mistaken. It’s actually all about affording Kenco coffee rather than Aldi own brand.

They’d tell you that they have worked hard all their lives, why shouldn’t they get the same payment as other less well off pensioners who have obviously not worked as hard or saved for the future?

I think the Tories are smart enough to change the narrative once the Leadership election is over but for now, they are appealing to the sort of voter who thought having Liz Truss as PM was a idea because of tax cuts. They look after No.1.
 


crodonilson

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and then there were three....

'Tom the Terrible' Tugendhat knocked out of the Tory leadership contest. Leaving Kemi Badenoch, Bobby Jenrick and James Cleverly to battle it out.

www.theguardian.com

Cleverly emerges as Tory leadership frontrunner after third round of voting

Tom Tugendhat knocked out of contest as Robert Jenrick and Kemi Badenoch remain in running for final MPs’ ballot
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
 


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