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[Albion] Hürzeler’s (Brighton) Tactics
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Wardy's twin
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I think he has but I have no statistics to prove that , also think he is a bit slower getting forward than he was. I do remember him being able to get back and sweep up the break throughs , maybe it is a mindset thing but IMO (and that is all it is) he is not doing what he was capable of pre injury.
Surrey Phil
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I still think we are integrating a lot of new players. Wieffer will eventually just sit in front of the 2 centre backs and when O'Reilly plays in the middle with Baleba we will be a different proposition. However, until everyone's up to speed, we need to stop the high line.
Wardy's twin
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We have 13 PL games before the end of the year , we aren't getting anyone in before that (unless there is a free agent out there) so we have to review tactics if we don't have the personnel to play the required style.
Milano
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I believe Matip is available right now, we could do worse.
nicko31
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Still early days but a big lesson to be learnt from Saturday. The high press doesn't work against the top sides....
Igor is a LCB with more recovery speed. Dunk is likely to play every game if fit, meaning it's difficult for Igor to get a look in.
van Hecke would benefit from a more athletic CB in a high line system.
Nobby Cybergoat
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Yet we only conceded from a backpass error, a mega soft penalty, a worldie free kick allowed to be taken 5 yards forward of the incident and our keeper passing it straight to them
Nobby Cybergoat
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Sorry. Wait. Just a moment. Igor?
Igor would caught the Chelsea forwards after we got caught on halfway?
Have we entered the twilight zone?
Presumably he'd stopped the Forest goal also? Thunder thighs has his qualities but turning on the half way line and catching an opponent who've sprung our offside trap isn't something i've seen him do. Ever.
All you're doing is naming players who aren't faster and I'm pretty sure probably slower and without the many qualities of the player's we're talking about replacing
Nobby Cybergoat
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This is a point not made enough, or at least not sufficiently grasped. The real risk of playing the offside trap is the run from deep
The fastest ever split in a 100m relay is 8.7 seconds. 8.7! It obliterates the record from a standing start and it shows the difference between already on the run and having to start from scratch.
I think there is an argument to be made about whether we could start more side on and start to edge back
Nobby Cybergoat
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I just don't think this will make any difference either. Even if we have the worlds best holding midfielder sat in front of the defence, I don't see how this would have helped us not concede any of the goals we've been letting in because of the ball over the top
If we have a spare man I think we're better off using him trying to stop the source of the chance
Is there any reason not to play with a lower block in games like those ahead?
First, I’m no tactician (surprise…huh). Just think it would fit players like Veltman and Pervis (maybe Dunk to). They ARE good at defending.
At the other side of the pitch we got pace that a lot of teams in the PL would like to have. Mitoma, Adingra, Minteh, Joao Pedro to name a few. I’d love to see them in a more counter attacking line up.
Why not try it against some of the best teams? If we get another go i Europe, there’s no other alternative. A first leg away, with a high line, no thanks!
First, I’m no tactician (surprise…huh). Just think it would fit players like Veltman and Pervis (maybe Dunk to). They ARE good at defending.
At the other side of the pitch we got pace that a lot of teams in the PL would like to have. Mitoma, Adingra, Minteh, Joao Pedro to name a few. I’d love to see them in a more counter attacking line up.
Why not try it against some of the best teams? If we get another go i Europe, there’s no other alternative. A first leg away, with a high line, no thanks!
Barnet Seagull
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I've had a bit more time to look at the highlights and think about the high line some more. I absolutely get it tactically, and although pacey centre backs would be some help, it's more about anticipating the threat.
We haven't conceded because of it per se, but my major problem with it is a psychological one rather than one based on stats or evidence.
Leaving so much space in behind must be an encouragement to the opposition and must have attackers thinking more aggressively than perhaps they would against a lower defensive line. Any quick striker is going to love to see all that space to run in, knowing that a clever bit of movement could give them a clear opportunity to score.
Why give so much encouragement so early and readily? The problem against Chelsea was that what we are doing was obvious and they could smell the opportunity and were aggressively looking to exploit it.
I definitely think there is an argument to de-risk and start lower both in engagement and defensive line early in the game against stronger opposition. You could then then flip to increase both lines and squeeze the opposition more as the game goes on.
We haven't conceded because of it per se, but my major problem with it is a psychological one rather than one based on stats or evidence.
Leaving so much space in behind must be an encouragement to the opposition and must have attackers thinking more aggressively than perhaps they would against a lower defensive line. Any quick striker is going to love to see all that space to run in, knowing that a clever bit of movement could give them a clear opportunity to score.
Why give so much encouragement so early and readily? The problem against Chelsea was that what we are doing was obvious and they could smell the opportunity and were aggressively looking to exploit it.
I definitely think there is an argument to de-risk and start lower both in engagement and defensive line early in the game against stronger opposition. You could then then flip to increase both lines and squeeze the opposition more as the game goes on.
The Fits
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Agreed. It created pressure. That can't be argued against. Looks like we got carried away because it seemed to be working. After Palmer had hit the post it needed a rethink, after the disallowed goal it needed changing.
Bold Seagull
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Dunk is likely to play every game if fit over Igor because he is a vastly superior player! It's difficult for Igor to get a look in because he's not as good.
Bold Seagull
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I'm not sure it's a positive they only managed to score 4 from all the clear chances they had.
Screaming J
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In the Grauniad today (apologies if already posted - couldn't see it!).
Seagull58
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If they had a decent finisher instead of barndoor Jackson we would have conceded 8 or more. They continually breached the high line and its only because 1. Jackson can't finish and 2. he has difficulty staying onside, that we didn't concede 8.
Seagull58
In the Algarve
He wasn't the only one but he was one. I'm surprised at that stat for Dunk (not saying it's wrong) as I thought he did OK in very difficult circumstances. At least he ran himself into the ground chasing back to try and plug holes, and made more than one crucial, last-ditch blocks/tackle. On the other hand, I don't remember Wieffer doing anything noteworthy in the positive column.