LamieRobertson
Not awoke
lol….no need to apologiseSorry, no. Apologies!
lol….no need to apologiseSorry, no. Apologies!
I'll delete the post nowHarry I’m going to duck that on here because it will derail the thread (imo) and you are right to say that it’s best not to……save it for that post match drink
As I haveI'll delete the post now
Purely as a matter of interest maybe to yourself I had read a report to say Sven did ….shrugI don't suppose Fabio or Sven sang the England national anthem either but I may be wrong.
God hasn't done a great job of saving him then.This.
Carsley never sang the Irish National Anthem all the years he played for Ireland nor the English National Anthem when he was coaching the U21s.
Carsley has a dual Irish/British nationality, so for that reason alone, would likely find singing the National Anthem of either Country problematic. Even more so in Dublin - I suspect Rice and Grealish will get some stick from the Irish fans if they do sing the English National Anthem this evening.
People need to stop conflating English football with nationalism or monarchism and suggesting that if you subscribe to neither, then you can’t be a genuine England fan or fit to be the manager of the squad.
It’s just competitive football at a national level ffs not a Civil War enactment and of little interest tbh to vast numbers of English League Club supporters.
Edit - should also add that ‘England’ hasn’t had a King since 1707.
If there's one thing capable of equaling the predictable 'outrage' at Carsley not singing the national anthem it's the equally predictable alternate response of people falling over themselves to say how much of a shit they don't give about it and how much they don't care about supporting England.
I wonder if both sides of the coin are a very English attitude, or if one, or none, are? I think that's a more interesting question/debate than the tedious nationalism one that threads like these are designed to inspire.
You've slightly misunderstood my post, probably due to my poor wording in it.This thread wasn’t designed to inspire nationalism.
I’m definitely not a nationalist,it was more to discuss the right wing press and their obsession with our country’s NA.
I find it objectionable that, I, as a republican socialist, should be deemed to be some kind of 5th columnist traitor because I disagree with the ‘born to rule’ doctrine of this country, and the right wing narrative of our national press, who’s owners are largely non doms who pay no tax in this country.
Patriotism comes in many forms, paying your fair share of tax, should be the benchmark .
I also support our national sports teams, although it has largely been a thankless task over the last 50 years.
Excellent post Harry.Tradition
(aka, some bullshit made up, probably in Victorian times, to fool the English that we weren't being ruled by Germans.
Pass the Saxe-Coburg and Gotha bag, Alice.)
All this fuss, and if he hadn't commented, virtually no one would have noticed the non-singing, or commented on it.
A lot of folk are in between. For me the obsession with national identity is bewildering. I feel it is a form of insecurity. We only get three score years and ten and I'm not going to spend it saluting a flag and submitting to inherited expectations of who I should be. I'm just going to live and enjoy who I am.If there's one thing capable of equaling the predictable 'outrage' at Carsley not singing the national anthem it's the equally predictable alternate response of people falling over themselves to say how much of a shit they don't give about it and how much they don't care about supporting England.
I wonder if both sides of the coin are a very English attitude, or if one, or none, are? I think that's a more interesting question/debate than the tedious nationalism one that threads like these are designed to inspire.
He was asked.Don't care
Was he asked or did he bring it up?
Seems however seem an odd thing to say outright