[Football] Sutton United Ladies put their head above the parapet

Lenny Rider said:

Gents (and Ladies) reading some of the responses are we not allowed to have a debate now? (How long before Sir Keir shuts down NSC, after he’s banned fags in beer gardens? )


It came up on my feed this morning, and many on here know boxing is also another sport I love and what went on in Paris was not only farcical but relevant to this subject.

Aside from their brief dalliance with the EFL, Sutton United are one of the most respected non league football clubs in the country, so for this issue to arrive at their door, it clearly will have people talking about (if we’re allowed to )

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The Fifth Column said:

Still waiting for someone to justify and explain why it only affects womens sport? Can one of the apologists explain why mens sport isnt affected by trans athletes. I mean they have all the hormone replacement therapy and treatments and presumably the advantages of now being men, surely they'd want to test their new found manhood on the sporting stage?

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Gwylan said:

As mentioned earlier, my trans son is perfectly happy playing in male sport. No-one has complained. There's another trans male in the same rugby team - it is the Brighton LGBT team after all (no Ls in it though)

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Harry Wilson's tackle said:

Yes. You will see I recanted later. I should probably delete the old post.

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Gwylan said:

As mentioned earlier, my trans son is perfectly happy playing in male sport. No-one has complained. There's another trans male in the same rugby team - it is the Brighton LGBT team after all (no Ls in it though)

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dsr-burnley said:

Any person who takes drugs to make himself or herself stronger is banned from professional sport at least, and quite possibly from amateur sport as well. Therefore a trans man would not be allowed to play women's sport under the drugs rules, whatever he, she or they would like.

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Baldseagull said:

There are some drugs that are banned for most athletes, but not for those with a medical reason to use them.

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dsr-burnley said:

True, but those drugs don't include drugs specifically designed to make a woman's body more like a man's. Opening that particular door would clearly encourage women to take performance enhancing drugs while only pretending to be a trans man.

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clapham_gull said:

I have a few words/phrases I would ban from modern discourse.

1) Discourse
2) Solidarity
3) Narrative
4) Main Stream Media / Legacy Media
5) Thatcher
6) Fascist
7) Communist
8) CIS
9) Diversity
10) Far (anything)

In fact I'd make it the law, but let's call it the rules.

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BadFish said:

Are you suggesting that someone would go through the process of transitioning just to gain an advantage in sport?

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BadFish said:

Are you suggesting that someone would go through the process of transitioning just to gain an advantage in sport?

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dsr-burnley said:

No, I am saying that someone would pretend to be transitioning in order to legally take performance enhancing drugs.

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BadFish said:

Are you suggesting that someone would go through the process of transitioning just to gain an advantage in sport?

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BadFish said:

Right, slightly less insane I suppose.

Which performance enhancing drugs are you suggesting someone would make this move to take?

Do you have an example of this happening or is it a hypothetical accusation?

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m20gull said:

That surely depends on the process. Australia has recently amended legislation so that sex markers on birth certificates and passports can be changed based on a letter from a friend: no medical report, no surgery. I think Spain has something similar. This change will become more widespread with greater acceptance.

Admittedly some bodies like the FA require hormone treatment, interestingly to reduce testosterone to the maximum level of females. Why can't female footballers dose up to the maximum to level it out?

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dsr-burnley said:

It was hypothetically suggested by baldeagle, whether seriously or by 'reductio ad absurdum', that trans men could play in women's sport. I was explaining why it couldn't happen. I have no idea why anyone would think that insane.

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BadFish said:

My worry is that you don't think that someone pretending to transition in order to take testosterone or oestrogen supliments is insane.

Thankfully I am going to assume that this notion will stay hypothetical and not worry about it until someone is daft enough to actually try it.

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dsr-burnley said:

It was hypothetically suggested by baldeagle, whether seriously or by 'reductio ad absurdum', that trans men could play in women's sport. I was explaining why it couldn't happen. I have no idea why anyone would think that insane.

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Guinness Boy said:

Slightly off topic - but then serious debate stopped here around about page 2 as predicted - but do you have a mate in Leeds by any chance?

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