Why do you put the footballer and Algerian boxer together?
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[Football] Sutton United Ladies put their head above the parapet
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LamieRobertson
Not awoke
That’s an interesting point you make there Harry….personally I don’t use the term cis and probably never will I just say man....but I can understand your reasoningWhat's odd about cis? If you are discussing trans compared with not trans then cis is preferable to . . . . . 'normal'
Likewise, on the very rare occasions when I may want to make a distinction between my sexuality and that of a gay man, I may refer to myself as straight. Context. Otherwise I'd never mention it.
I understand your fear of big hairy blokes in drag in your daughters' changing rooms, but there is no need to become agitated by an adjective.
clapham_gull
Legacy Fan
- Aug 20, 2003
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Ignorant to conflate the Algerian boxer with a trans women - she isn't.
"CIS" is a highly politicised terms and far from neutral.
You aren't allowed nuanced views on this subject anymore, they'll stick you in prison *
(*) metaphorically
"CIS" is a highly politicised terms and far from neutral.
You aren't allowed nuanced views on this subject anymore, they'll stick you in prison *
(*) metaphorically
Isn’t the issue that we all think sport should be on a level playing field but we now find ourselves being unable to agree what the mechanism is to measure that level playing field? I support everyone’s desire to compete in whatever sport they want, as long as its equitable and safe. Inconsistently applied or unclear eligibility criteria whilst trying to be fully inclusive is actually creating the space for all this division and nastiness…
herecomesaregular
We're in the pipe, 5 by 5
Opponents/teammates pulling out of the contest.
BadFish
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- Oct 19, 2003
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We can all manage to refer to people by a preferred shortening/lengthening of their name without decrying the bastardisation of society and language. To me it beggars belief that some people can't refer to people in their preferred pronoun.
How hard is it to make a small change to make someone feel a little more comfortable?
BadFish
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- Oct 19, 2003
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Quite, I was playing football against a very tall bloke last night, he used his height to block a number of through balls and shots from me.
Surely there should be a separate category for these tall blokes and their unfair advantage?
Don't get me started on the players that are better than me at football.
BadFish
Huge Member
- Oct 19, 2003
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And the tall people. Fast People.
herecomesaregular
We're in the pipe, 5 by 5
My cousin lived with me for two months and asked to be referred to as they/them and, with the greatest intentions, I was constantly tripping over with it however hard i tried. It was a completely new habit and they would sometimes go ballistic if I messed up. It's ok in an occasional email or someone you don't see often but living with me they were around a lot and actually it wasn't really a "small change" particularly when someone is super sensitive about it (changing language takes time).
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Mustafa II
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We definitely need solidarity with women when it comes to m2f trans people wanting to play in the women's sport, and probably some other areas of culture and daily life too.
People born men are more likely to bigger and stronger, it's quite obviously an unfair advantage.
Every single one of us have been born with some kind of disadvantage in life that affects what we can achieve, and unfortunately for m2f trans people, theirs should be being unable to compete in women's sport.
They should be still welcome to play in men's competition, or start their own competitions - but Sutton are absolutely correct with this, it should not be allowed.
People born men are more likely to bigger and stronger, it's quite obviously an unfair advantage.
Every single one of us have been born with some kind of disadvantage in life that affects what we can achieve, and unfortunately for m2f trans people, theirs should be being unable to compete in women's sport.
They should be still welcome to play in men's competition, or start their own competitions - but Sutton are absolutely correct with this, it should not be allowed.
BadFish
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- Oct 19, 2003
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Yeah it does take time, and understanding this is important. I still trip over this from time to time, as I do calling one of my students Thomas not Tom but a quick apology and correction seems to go a long way.
It is a great shame that at a time when a fair chunk of the right seem to be gearing up for a final solution that so much energy is wasted by trans activists and those who are actually allies of them arguing on the minor point of participation in women's sport at elite level.
If the eventual decision is that there can be no trans participation in higher level women's sports that will be devastating to many, but even as a trans rights supporter I don't think that is discrimination. Everyone is excluded from some activities by accident of birth.
Yep, give them a league too.
Just don't give them two leagues, because that would be binary.
Baldseagull
Well-known member
So a trans man should be playing women's football?
Mustafa II
Well-known member
If a "cis" woman decided to treat herself with male hormones in order to be better and stronger at the sport she was competing in, should that be allowed?
dsr-burnley
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- Aug 15, 2014
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Any person who takes drugs to make himself or herself stronger is banned from professional sport at least, and quite possibly from amateur sport as well. Therefore a trans man would not be allowed to play women's sport under the drugs rules, whatever he, she or they would like.
dsr-burnley
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- Aug 15, 2014
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There is literally no difficulty in assessing whether being tall is an advantage for a goalkeeper. It is an advantage, full stop. There is no scientific study that could prove otherwise.
An man of average size and strength cannot become a woman of average size and strength simply by taking drugs and having operations (unless Procrustean operations are being tried!)
OzMike
Well-known member
Maybe the transgenders should have their own games.
Seems to be enough of them nowadays.
Seems to be enough of them nowadays.
LamieRobertson
Not awoke
No thanks I’m not playing the preferred pro noun game ….doesnt stop them using it that’s up to them..but I’m not joining in…so I’m beggaring your belief
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The Fifth Column
Lazy mug
Still waiting for someone to justify and explain why it only affects womens sport? Can one of the apologists explain why mens sport isnt affected by trans athletes. I mean they have all the hormone replacement therapy and treatments and presumably the advantages of now being men, surely they'd want to test their new found manhood on the sporting stage?