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[Albion] You're the ref: Veltman v Rice

You're the ref: Veltman v Rice

  • No card to either player

    Votes: 99 17.4%

  • No card for Veltman; yellow card for Rice

    Votes: 255 44.7%

  • Yellow card for Veltman; nothing for Rice

    Votes: 13 2.3%

  • Yellow card for both players

    Votes: 118 20.7%

  • No card for Veltman; red card for Rice

    Votes: 37 6.5%

  • Red card for Veltman; nothing for Rice

    Votes: 3 0.5%

  • Red card for Veltman; yellow card for Rice

    Votes: 4 0.7%

  • Yellow card for Veltman; red card for Rice

    Votes: 36 6.3%

  • Red card for both players

    Votes: 5 0.9%
  • Total voters
    570


Thunder Bolt

Thunder Bolt

Silly old bat
Aug 18, 2009
67,804
Beside the seaside, beside the sea
No card for Veltman, yellow for Rice.

I also had the benefit of the wisdom of Michael Dawson and Mike Dean who were watching the game live.
 




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Bodian

Well-known member
May 3, 2012
14,155
Cumbria
METALMICKY said:
Sorry Glen but both irrelevant observations. Too few pundits simply offering the opinion that Rice is to blame for his card. If he stays away he avoids the temptation of the silly little flick of the ball. He also avoids Veltman's original plan of whacking the ball at him to get the second yellow. In that second scenario as other posters have observed the ref would have just told them to get on with and no cards for anyone.

The fact that Veltman kicks Rice's foot is a complete red herring and farcical that Arteta demanded a red.

Bleating about the Pedro incident in first half is a classic case of ' Whataboutery '. Even he had booked him that would have effectively endorsed the later Rice decision. And instead of going bonkers on the bench maybe Arteta should be asking why one of his players with the new multi ball set up didn't try to get the ball moving from near where the ball went out.

Some of the punditry was tinged shocking big club bias. And enough said for Keown who was an utter cock!
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On the bench? More like miles outside of his technical area. How does he get away with that every week?
 


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jezzer

Active member
Jul 18, 2003
754
eastbourne
Veltman did exactly what any Arsenal player would have done if it was the other way around- kick the ball against the player preventing the quick free kick to highlight this to the ref, only in this case the ball was kicked away by rice as he did this - and kicked rice instead - that’s rice’s fault not veltmans there’s no intent there - yes you can argue the ref was inconsistent coz he didn’t book Pedro in the first half for that same thing but it doesn’t mean rice wasn’t idiotic to test the ref in that way when he’s already carded Even Ally Mccoist went down the let’s try and blame the bton player route - it’s utter nonsense.
 


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Shaktarman

Well-known member
Sep 19, 2022
457
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Did Rice delay the play - yes - yellow.

Did Veltman kick Rice because he moved the ball he was about to kick. Yes. No card.

Don’t get caught up in the arsenal sore loser hysteria or the biased big club commentators. Ref got it right.
 








DJ NOBO

DJ NOBO

Well-known member
Jul 18, 2004
6,806
Wiltshire
Soton Seagull said:
If it is a yellow for Rice then Veltman can't really be deemed to be at fault.

Soft, but Rice knew he was on a yellow. Veltman knew what he was doing and outsmarted him
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It wasn’t soft . Deliberately kicking the ball away is deliberately kicking the ball away . Yellow card.
 


DJ NOBO

DJ NOBO

Well-known member
Jul 18, 2004
6,806
Wiltshire
JBizzle said:
Let's be honest, Veltman had absolutely no intention of "taking a quick free kick". Can we stop pretending that he was?

He totally engineered that situation and Rice's second yellow was bought and paid for by Veltman.

Which is why I absolutely ADORE him.
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Agree but all rice had to do is not kick it away .
 




Deadly Danson

Deadly Danson

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Oct 22, 2003
4,592
Brighton
Can anyone confirm whether Saka was onside for their goal? Haven't seen a replay which confirms either way but he does look suspiciously off. I saw on X that Naylor said it wasn't checked but I'm assuming it was.
 


Uncle Spielberg

Uncle Spielberg

Well-known member
Jul 6, 2003
43,088
Lancing
Very harsh red card for me
 


JBizzle

JBizzle

Well-known member
Apr 18, 2010
6,208
Seaford
DJ NOBO said:
Agree but all rice had to do is not kick it away .
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Totally agree, but look where Veltman throws the ball. It's literally right there. Arsenal are coached to make snidey little nudges of the ball to slow down play to within an inch of their lives.

I'm absolutely certain that he threw the ball there knowing full well that Arteta's micro programming would take over
 




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severnside gull

Well-known member
May 16, 2007
24,823
By the seaside in West Somerset
Love Arteta moaning that “Joao Pedro did the same thing (but worse) in the first half”
If you look at that it’s worth noting that it was a ball gone out of play on the touchline and Joao Pedro “passed it back to their goalkeeper”
The same thing? Not remotely as he was giving possession directly back (albeit a long way back) not flicking it sideways into touch away from opposition players
 










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Berty23

Well-known member
Jun 26, 2012
3,636
I really don’t understand the comparisons with Pedro. Earlier in the match Arsenal thought Mitoma had dribbled the ball out and stopped playing. He had not. It is not down to the players to stop. Had he seen the lino flag or ref signal? If they had not then Pedro can pretend he didn’t think the ball was out. Obviously a lie but it is not the same as restarting a game after a whistle due to a foul. Do Arsenal want players booked who get to the byline and then hit a cross when the ball had just gone out of play? It is down to the ref and lino to signal.

Staggered people compare the throw in incident when the ball was not going to an arsenal player anyway and we were in position etc. rice was out of position so kicked the ball out.
 








Flounce

Flounce

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NSC Patron
Nov 15, 2006
4,226
Haven’t read the whole thread but Rice knew what he was doing and stepped across to block a quick free kick, ref was right to give him a second yellow. The guy is an over rated waste of space imo anyway :shrug:
 


US Seagull

US Seagull

Well-known member
Jul 17, 2003
4,620
Cleveland, OH
Berty23 said:
I really don’t understand the comparisons with Pedro. Earlier in the match Arsenal thought Mitoma had dribbled the ball out and stopped playing. He had not. It is not down to the players to stop. Had he seen the lino flag or ref signal? If they had not then Pedro can pretend he didn’t think the ball was out. Obviously a lie but it is not the same as restarting a game after a whistle due to a foul. Do Arsenal want players booked who get to the byline and then hit a cross when the ball had just gone out of play? It is down to the ref and lino to signal.

Staggered people compare the throw in incident when the ball was not going to an arsenal player anyway and we were in position etc. rice was out of position so kicked the ball out.
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I was thinking exactly this. Pedro could at least argue that he didn't know it was out. I mean, we're all pretty sure he knew that it was, but still. Can't prove it either way.
 


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