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Bodian

Well-known member
May 3, 2012
13,940
Cumbria
Pretty sure I said County not Country.

But that's not really correct either is it.

ARUNDEL AND SOUTH DOWNS - Conservatives HOLD

BEXHILL AND BATTLE - Conservatives HOLD

BOGNOR REGIS AND LITTLEHAMPTON - Conservatives HOLD

BRIGHTON KEMPTOWN AND PEACEHAVEN - Labour HOLD

BRIGHTON PAVILION - Green HOLD

CHICHESTER - Liberal Democrats GAIN from Conservative

CRAWLEY - Labour GAIN from Conservative

EAST GRINSTEAD AND UCKFIELD - Conservative HOLD

EAST WORTHING AND SHOREHAM - Labour GAIN from Conservative

EASTBOURNE - Liberal Democrats GAIN from Conservative

HASTINGS AND RYE - Labour GAIN from Conservative

HORSHAM - Liberal Democrats GAIN from Conservative

HOVE AND PORTSLADE - Labour HOLD

LEWES - Liberal Democrats GAIN from Conservative
MID SUSSEX - Liberal Democrats GAIN from Conservative

SUSSEX WEALD - Conservatives HOLD

WORTHING WEST - Labour GAIN from Conservatives
 














Crawley Dingo

Political thread tourist.
Mar 31, 2022
998

But that's not really correct either is it.

ARUNDEL AND SOUTH DOWNS - Conservatives HOLD

BEXHILL AND BATTLE - Conservatives HOLD

BOGNOR REGIS AND LITTLEHAMPTON - Conservatives HOLD

BRIGHTON KEMPTOWN AND PEACEHAVEN - Labour HOLD

BRIGHTON PAVILION - Green HOLD

CHICHESTER - Liberal Democrats GAIN from Conservative

CRAWLEY - Labour GAIN from Conservative

EAST GRINSTEAD AND UCKFIELD - Conservative HOLD

EAST WORTHING AND SHOREHAM - Labour GAIN from Conservative

EASTBOURNE - Liberal Democrats GAIN from Conservative

HASTINGS AND RYE - Labour GAIN from Conservative

HORSHAM - Liberal Democrats GAIN from Conservative

HOVE AND PORTSLADE - Labour HOLD

LEWES - Liberal Democrats GAIN from Conservative
MID SUSSEX - Liberal Democrats GAIN from Conservative

SUSSEX WEALD - Conservatives HOLD

WORTHING WEST - Labour GAIN from Conservatives
Yes it is, that happens when a large cohort stays home or the vote gets split or both. Nice try.
 




Harry Wilson's tackle

Harry Wilson's Tackle
NSC Patron
Oct 8, 2003
55,543
Faversham
Not sure I can recall anyone getting such a debagging and defenestration on NSC, entirely down to his own folly, er, ever. Crikey.
 




Bodian

Well-known member
May 3, 2012
13,940
Cumbria
Yes it is, that happens when a large cohort stays home or the vote gets split or both. Nice try.
Eh?
Agree 100%, the number of members online represents about 1% of a Saturday gate.

Having a membership posting that skews left in itself isn't to much of a problem(although county demographics would skew right). Its just that this cohort appear to be labour party members and activists and a bunch of horrible bastards backed up by an imbecile with a mod panel.
But you said 'county demographics would skew right'. On the current evidence that simply isn't true.

How do you know the 'stay at homes' would have voted right?
 


Harry Wilson's tackle

Harry Wilson's Tackle
NSC Patron
Oct 8, 2003
55,543
Faversham
Eh?

But you said 'county demographics would skew right'. On the current evidence that simply isn't true.

How do you know the 'stay at homes' would have voted right?
Another weird right wing person being debagged and defenestrated on NSC today.

What's the matter with these people? ??? :shrug:
 


Crawley Dingo

Political thread tourist.
Mar 31, 2022
998
Eh?

But you said 'county demographics would skew right'. On the current evidence that simply isn't true.

How do you know the 'stay at homes' would have voted right?
Er, because that is why the Tories lost a ton of seats? A fall in tory votes, a rise in Reform and Labour falling a bit is what gave Labour a massive majority.

Why is this difficult to grasp? Its common knowledge.
 




Bodian

Well-known member
May 3, 2012
13,940
Cumbria
Er, because that is why the Tories lost a ton of seats? A fall in tory votes, a rise in Reform and Labour falling a bit is what gave Labour a massive majority.

Why is this difficult to grasp? Its common knowledge.
We're talking about Sussex. The County.

Here are the Sussex figures. https://hellorayo.co.uk/greatest-hits/sussex/news/election-2024-full-results-for-sussex/

Conservative: 122,980
Reform: 57,954
RIGHT - 180,934

Labour: 125,513
Lib Dem: 93,502
Green: 57,810
LEFT - 276,825

Independent: 13,630

County demographics in 2024 do not skew right. Unless you have actual evidence that the vast majority of those that did not vote would have voted right.
 


Harry Wilson's tackle

Harry Wilson's Tackle
NSC Patron
Oct 8, 2003
55,543
Faversham
We're talking about Sussex. The County.

Here are the Sussex figures. https://hellorayo.co.uk/greatest-hits/sussex/news/election-2024-full-results-for-sussex/

Conservative: 122,980
Reform: 57,954
RIGHT - 180,934

Labour: 125,513
Lib Dem: 93,502
Green: 57,810
LEFT - 276,825

Independent: 13,630

County demographics in 2024 do not skew right. Unless you have actual evidence that the vast majority of those that did not vote would have voted right.
He won't agree that it's possible to prove a point with facts. Just wait.....
 






Crawley Dingo

Political thread tourist.
Mar 31, 2022
998
We're talking about Sussex. The County.

Here are the Sussex figures. https://hellorayo.co.uk/greatest-hits/sussex/news/election-2024-full-results-for-sussex/

Conservative: 122,980
Reform: 57,954
RIGHT - 180,934

Labour: 125,513
Lib Dem: 93,502
Green: 57,810
LEFT - 276,825

Independent: 13,630

County demographics in 2024 do not skew right. Unless you have actual evidence that the vast majority of those that did not vote would have voted right.
Right voters stay home, vote tactically etc. no room for independents in you dichotomy.
 


Bodian

Well-known member
May 3, 2012
13,940
Cumbria
Right voters stay home, vote tactically etc. no room for independents in you dichotomy.
Do you have actual proof or evidence that right voters stayed at home more than left voters? If not - it's just supposition on your part.

The vote tactically argument doesn't stack up when you look at the actual numbers does it. Nor does the independents argument - even if you added them all to the right count it gets nowhere near (but not all the independents were right - at least 3,000 voted for the Workers Party).
 


Crawley Dingo

Political thread tourist.
Mar 31, 2022
998
Do you have actual proof or evidence that right voters stayed at home more than left voters? If not - it's just supposition on your part.

The vote tactically argument doesn't stack up when you look at the actual numbers does it. Nor does the independents argument - even if you added them all to the right count it gets nowhere near (but not all the independents were right - at least 3,000 voted for the Workers Party).
I read tons of literature on this phenomenon, quick search brought up this. weak but indicative.
 


Thunder Bolt

Silly old bat
I read tons of literature on this phenomenon, quick search brought up this. weak but indicative.
The turnout for by elections is always poor and cannot be compared to a general election.
 




South Stand Bonfire

Who lit that match then?
NSC Patron
Jan 24, 2009
2,481
Shoreham-a-la-mer
Right voters stay home, vote tactically etc. no room for independents in you dichotomy.
My take on why the Tories lost the election so badly is, regardless of your viewpoint on
their approach to Covid, Brexit or Boris and others, the Tories have ALWAYS relied on the premise that the economy and financial stability are safe in their hands. Once Liz Truss undermined that premise in her fiscal event, that Ace up their sleeve had gone.
 




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