jackalbion
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[Politics] Protests/rioting in lots of places
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Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
Musk is also doing himself no favours ‘inciting civil war’ in England, and in Europe. People are laughing at him.
nwgull
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Yes, it’s a very slippery slope bringing the army in for civil disorder. Why would the army be any more effective than the Police, who are trained specifically for this stuff anyway?
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
Exactly, and no firearms on show.
I agree. Conflating liars on X with articles in the Guardian, using opinion pieces in the Guardian as a bridge, is only one step away from the great trope of the right: "They are all the same and all as bad as each other".
It is amazing how easily people fall into this trap even though they would see themselves as reasonable and balanced (and on the whole are reasonable and balanced).
You need to stay alert to avoid being sucked into the world of perverse tropes. We all do it when it suits us. I admit to it. But I hope I can also hold up my hand when corrected (with facts).
Live ammo.
Edit: I'm being facetious. And I think the police can deal with this perfectly well by themselves.
Plus the armed forces have no power of arrest over civilians; might as well deploy store detectives and traffic wardens.
I don't know Fergus, or if he's had other names, but I think there are plenty of people in our country who aren't particularly racist, who are concerned about the immigration levels in this country. That they think the media are lying to them, and that the politicians don't care, is a concern.
I think it's worth engaging with them as a whole. Just ignoring the millions who voted reform is not the solution IMO.
Spot on. Perception is everything, and we game risk to suit our prejudices.
When I moved to Vancouver in 82 I was shocked to hear people, at a dinner party, bang on about how dangerous Vancouver was.
I had come from a London where you had to take great care where you went, especially if you looked a bit 'funny'. I did look a bit 'funny'.
In contrast, I could walk the streets of downtown Vancouver late at night, often on my own, having come from a gig or club, without any fear of assault.
All murders in Vancouver were one drunk 'rubbie' stabbing his room mate over stolen ciggies. With the occasional highly specific serial killer, once every 5 years or so.
It is as if we scope around looking for threats, then ramp up their significance as a form of defense mechanism. I guess it is a logical survival strategy. But so much of it is life-diminishing old bolleaux.
Nobby Cybergoat
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Yes, there is a greater complexity around those stats. It's very difficult to definitively say that the country is safer or less safe from sexual offenders. I have a guess, but being a man at much lower risk, i'm not the best person to comment.
What isn't in dispute is that the country is a safer place than it was 20 years ago.
I think, and I can't provide evidence for this, but I did see a documentary to this effect, that there is some evidence that the whole world is safer. So despite the horrors in Gaza and Ukraine, any given human is less likely to suffer a violent end than at any point than they have been at any point in history.
We don't see it like this, because the horrors which there are appear graphically on our phones almost instantly, whereas 20, 40, 60 years ago, we may have seen some grainy footage a week after, but the impact was dulled
I don't belittle deaths or violence anywhere and I long for these terrible conflicts to end, but I say this as something to help bring us collectively out of our gloom when we see another tragedy unfold
I agree with your sentiment and hope that this poster replies, thanking you for your insights, politeness and consideration, extending a virtual handshake for helping them re-educate themselves.
I'll pop back later to see how it's going
Yeah I don't think that's likely, but I'd like to hear what he thinks are the real motives behind the attack in Stockport. What terrorist organisation was it?I agree with your sentiment and hope that this poster replies, thanking you for your insights, politeness and consideration, extending a virtual handshake for helping them re-educate themselves.
I'll pop back later to see how it's going
Hopefully we can all put our views forward, and listen to what others have to say.
I don’t think there is anything wrong with being anti immigration per se but it is how you express that opposition. There are ECONOMIC arguments for and against but when someone opposes any policy because of the colour of their skin, religion or ethnicity then that is entirely different.
There are people who come into the latter category on the left,right and probably centre too. There is no such thing as respectable racism or bigotry.
Nobby Cybergoat
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For anyone else who wants a bit of help feeling better about human nature
www.theguardian.com
It's so easy to think you might put your life on the line if the moment ever came. I wonder if I would?
Man who tackled Southport attacker says he wished he could have been ‘more Bruce Willis’
John Hayes, 63, who was almost killed by leg wound, says he felt upset he could not do more to prevent stabbings
www.theguardian.com
It's so easy to think you might put your life on the line if the moment ever came. I wonder if I would?
Nobby Cybergoat
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Here we go.....this oaf has just been sentenced to THREE YEARS. Good.
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Hove / Παρος
Just had an email from my kid's nursery advising that some families from more central parts of town should consider collecting before 6. Statement from the council attached.
Updated statement on the impact of racist violence in the city
We are aware of growing public concern following the recent criminal disorder seen across the country, the unverified reports circulating about potential activity in the city and unsolicited leaflets being shared in some areas.
I would like to reassure residents and visitors that the council is working closely with Sussex Police and other partners to identify any emerging concerns, and keep our residents, staff, community partners and businesses safe.
We recognise the impact this unrest is causing to the lives of many people and that we are not all experiencing it in the same way, disproportionately harming our Black, Migrant and Muslim communities.
Brighton & Hove will always be a place which prides itself on our inclusivity and being a place of sanctuary. Sussex Police will come down hard on anyone taking part in the type of disorder we have seen elsewhere in the country. Racism and violent thuggery have no place in our city.
We will update residents further on any impact this may have on our local services, but in the meantime, I would like to encourage people to keep an eye on information from Sussex Police, stay vigilant and report any concerns or instances of hate crime to them by calling either 101, or 999 in an emergency.
Councillor Bella Sankey
Leader of Brighton & Hove City Council
Updated statement on the impact of racist violence in the city
We are aware of growing public concern following the recent criminal disorder seen across the country, the unverified reports circulating about potential activity in the city and unsolicited leaflets being shared in some areas.
I would like to reassure residents and visitors that the council is working closely with Sussex Police and other partners to identify any emerging concerns, and keep our residents, staff, community partners and businesses safe.
We recognise the impact this unrest is causing to the lives of many people and that we are not all experiencing it in the same way, disproportionately harming our Black, Migrant and Muslim communities.
Brighton & Hove will always be a place which prides itself on our inclusivity and being a place of sanctuary. Sussex Police will come down hard on anyone taking part in the type of disorder we have seen elsewhere in the country. Racism and violent thuggery have no place in our city.
We will update residents further on any impact this may have on our local services, but in the meantime, I would like to encourage people to keep an eye on information from Sussex Police, stay vigilant and report any concerns or instances of hate crime to them by calling either 101, or 999 in an emergency.
Councillor Bella Sankey
Leader of Brighton & Hove City Council
Precisely, though some of the rhetoric used by members of those parties no doubt contributed to the belief held by the rioters that they are ‘standing up for the country’