[News] We want our Marbles back, we want our Marbles back...

Giraffe · Nov 27, 2023

They'll be singing it on the terraces of Athens...

Sunak cancels Greek PM meeting in Parthenon Sculptures row

Kyriakos Mitsotakis, who wants the Parthenon Sculptures returned, says he is "deeply disappointed".

www.bbc.co.uk

Personally I'd let them have them back. One of life's disappointments was discovering these were not marbles as the man on the street would imagine them. Boring.

Eeyore · Nov 27, 2023

Would the British Museum have anything left if all the pilfered stuff was returned ?

AmexRuislip · Nov 27, 2023

Giraffe said:
They'll be singing it on the terraces of Athens...

Sunak cancels Greek PM meeting in Parthenon Sculptures row

Kyriakos Mitsotakis, who wants the Parthenon Sculptures returned, says he is "deeply disappointed".

www.bbc.co.uk

Personally I'd let them have them back. One of life's disappointments was discovering these were not marbles as the man on the street would imagine them. Boring.

Totally agree on the return of items to the Greeks.
Long overdue IMO.
They were never ours in the first place.

GT49er · Nov 27, 2023

Eeyore said:
Would the British Museum have anything left if all the pilfered stuff was returned ?

Perhaps it would be better if the British Museum just displayed British stuff!

(I have seen the Elgin Marbles and must confess I found them pretty boring and uninspiring, and personally couldn't care less what we did with them, or who had them).

A1X · Nov 27, 2023

I genuinely don’t understand the argument for us keeping them. They only came here just over a century ago, and it’s not like Greece is a country where stuff is really at risk if it’s returned. Just feels like a chance for politicians to play Billy Big Bollocks about something.

dazzer6666 · Nov 27, 2023

Giraffe said:
They'll be singing it on the terraces of Athens...

Sunak cancels Greek PM meeting in Parthenon Sculptures row

Kyriakos Mitsotakis, who wants the Parthenon Sculptures returned, says he is "deeply disappointed".

www.bbc.co.uk

Personally I'd let them have them back. One of life's disappointments was discovering these were not marbles as the man on the street would imagine them. Boring.

‘You can stick your ****ing marbles up your arse‘ ?

VAL1850 · Nov 27, 2023

Don't go upsetting the Bubble and Squeaks.........

Colonel Mustard · Nov 27, 2023

I've been round the Parthenon and Acropolis Museum today. The missing marbles are a really big deal here and should be returned. Elgin's vandalism was really dreadful and embarrassing.

Driver8 · Nov 27, 2023

They aren’t ours. We stole them. Give them back.

Thunder Bolt · Nov 27, 2023

Colonel Mustard said:
I've been round the Parthenon and Acropolis Museum today. The missing marbles are a really big deal here and should be returned. Elgin's vandalism was really dreadful and embarrassing.

I agree 100%. It was vandalism by the British.

Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo · Nov 27, 2023

I don’t think so, we are still looking at it.

WATFORD zero · Nov 27, 2023

My son told me that the British side of the story was that Elgin originally took a team to take casts and drawings of the marble parts of the Parthenon that had fallen. It was during this that he found the marble structures that had fallen were being burned to obtain lime for further building.

He then decided at this point to 'save' the originals, together with pieces from Erechtheion, the Propylaia and the Temple of Athena Nike and that had he not, they wouldn't still be in existence as they would have been burnt for the lime.

I wonder if it's yet another situation where if you think it's simple then you don't really understand the facts and history :shrug:

(And I certainly don't, just giving the other side as I heard it :wink:

)

Thunder Bolt · Nov 27, 2023

WATFORD zero said:
My son told me that the British side of the story was that Elgin originally took a team to take casts and drawings of the marble parts of the Parthenon that had fallen. It was during this that he found the marble structures that had fallen were being burned to obtain lime for further building.

He then decided at this point to 'save' the originals, together with pieces from Erechtheion, the Propylaia and the Temple of Athena Nike and that had he not, they wouldn't still be in existence as they would have been burnt for the lime.

I wonder if it's yet another situation where if you think it's simple then you don't really understand the facts and history

(And I certainly don't, just giving the other side as I heard it )

There are some still attached to the Parthenon. Amazing after all these years.

dstanman · Nov 27, 2023

May of been the right thing to do at the time to ensure they were preserved. Job done but now is the time to return them back

Dave the OAP · Nov 27, 2023

Eeyore said:
Would the British Museum have anything left if all the pilfered stuff was returned ?

To be fair most of the western museums would be emptied. Certainly the Berlin and Louvre have more Greek artefacts than we have.

this is a fundamental question about property rights

btw. Pausanias visiting Athens didnt even mention the frieze( the marbles) It was so insignificant

WATFORD zero · Nov 27, 2023

Publius Ovidius said:
To be fair most of the western museums would be emptied. Certainly the Berlin and Louvre have more Greek artefacts than we have.

this is a fundamental question about property rights

btw. Pausanias visiting Athens didnt even mention the frieze( the marbles) It was so insignificant

I was waiting for Pausanias view on it. Someone has been educated :wink:

wellquickwoody · Nov 27, 2023

Colonel Mustard said:
I've been round the Parthenon and Acropolis Museum today. The missing marbles are a really big deal here and should be returned. Elgin's vandalism was really dreadful and embarrassing.

Embarrassing! Really? Embarrassing………. :facepalm:

Whilst handing them back is probably the correct thing to do now, how in Jesus’ name were you embarrassed by this? It happened before you were born. Unless Elgin actually was a member of your family of course?

Awaits being reported for blasphemy now.

knocky1 · Nov 27, 2023

WATFORD zero said:
My son told me that the British side of the story was that Elgin originally took a team to take casts and drawings of the marble parts of the Parthenon that had fallen. It was during this that he found the marble structures that had fallen were being burned to obtain lime for further building.

He then decided at this point to 'save' the originals, together with pieces from Erechtheion, the Propylaia and the Temple of Athena Nike and that had he not, they wouldn't still be in existence as they would have been burnt for the lime.

I wonder if it's yet another situation where if you think it's simple then you don't really understand the facts and history

(And I certainly don't, just giving the other side as I heard it )

In the same way our Empire used to find employment for Africans 200 years ago.

Hugo Rune · Nov 27, 2023

wellquickwoody said:
Embarrassing! Really? Embarrassing……….

Whilst handing them back is probably the correct thing to do now, how in Jesus’ name were you embarrassed by this? It happened before you were born. Unless Elgin actually was a member of your family of course?

Awaits being reported for blasphemy now.

What’s embarrassing is the fact that the Tories see this as part of the culture war. Sunak has now snubbed the Greek PM who is in the country and was about to meet him.

The Greeks think we’ve gone mad.

Thunder Bolt · Nov 27, 2023

Giraffe said:
They'll be singing it on the terraces of Athens...

Sunak cancels Greek PM meeting in Parthenon Sculptures row

Kyriakos Mitsotakis, who wants the Parthenon Sculptures returned, says he is "deeply disappointed".

www.bbc.co.uk

Personally I'd let them have them back. One of life's disappointments was discovering these were not marbles as the man on the street would imagine them. Boring.

On another note, it’s the duty of a Prime Minister to meet heads of State. Cancelling a meeting, apart from a national disaster, is just plain rude. Have the meeting, mumble some diplomatic niceties, and leave it at that.

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