You're the ref. What's your decision?

[Albumen]

Both players with both feet off the floor and both win the ball. Dangerous? Steaming tackle in derby atmosphere? What would you give?

 

[Albumen]

My double yellow would only be for a warning for others too just to calm the game down a little. Shelvey is already looking where the ball is going that he won. Still can't believe people are saying otherwise.

 

[BensGrandad]

Only problem is Shelvey didn't win the ball just caught Evans leg. Evans won the ball and was badly and dangerously fouled. Refs decision correct. The ball bounced of of Evans and Shelvey hit it with his standing foot (left one) not the one he lunged in with.

 

[Albumen]

Only problem is Shelvey didn't win the ball just caught Evans leg. Evans won the ball and was badly and dangerously fouled. Refs decision correct.

The last thing you looked at was the CMS penalty so I'm not listening to you Are you saying shelvey's foot didnt touch the ball first? Also Evans was hardly touched.

 

[BensGrandad]

The last thing you looked at was the CMS penalty so I'm not listening to you Are you saying shelvey's foot didnt touch the ball first? Also Evans was hardly touched.

#see how I have amended the original post. Ref 100% correct.

 

[Albumen]

4 votes, 4 different opinions. It's a humdinger of a question, which is why I posted it.

 

[Albumen]

#see how I have amended the original post. Ref 100% correct.

Still disagree but I can how you now see that. I think Evans is even more dangerous as both feet are towards the player off the floor, he got the ball first but I think shelvey's one foot goes solely to the ball.

 

[Potters mate]

Neither player 'won' the ball, what im looking at is the amount of contact made, In my opinion and that of all referees i have spoken to (5) is that Halsey got the decision spot on. The laws of the game dont change depending on the atmosphere, its the players responsibility to take into account the environment (atmosphere and how slippy the surface is etc) the match is played in and not the referees.

 

[Albumen]

Neither player 'won' the ball, what im looking at is the amount of contact made, In my opinion and that of all referees i have spoken to (5) is that Halsey got the decision spot on. The laws of the game dont change depending on the atmosphere, its the players responsibility to take into account the environment (atmosphere and how slippy the surface is etc) the match is played in and not the referees.

I think they both did. And so far only 8 of 26 votes say he got the decision right. Not that a populous result is ever usually right of course. Neither play was hurt (Evans was fine) so I can't see the point of anything moe than a general warning.

 

[brightonrock]

It's not just whether a player wins the ball, but whether it is out of control, reckless or dangerous. A foul is the first, where a player is late because of poor timing or more skill from an opponent. The second is where it may not be intentional to cause injury but the force is deemed excessive. The third is where another player's safety is put at risk and especially if the tackle is two footed or over the ball. Evans' two feet do leave the ground, but in the interest of planting one and kicking the ball with the other, before the two players get into the tackle. By the time they collide Shelvey's foot is still above the ball and half way up Evans' shin. Shelvey was reckless in his challenge, Evans was not. Whilst I doubt it was intentional or malicious, he could have caused serious injury, and deserved his red - Halsey got it right.

 

[Mellor 3 Ward 4]

I've gone for red for both, as IMO they both have both feet off the floor. I thought a two footed tackle, regardless of whether you win the ball, was nw a straight red.

I'm waiting for Brighton4 Cambridge3 to give his (qualified!) opinion!

Oh, and if Shelvey gets sent off, how on earth did David Luiz stay on the pitch at Chelsea?

 

[BensGrandad]

It's not just whether a player wins the ball, but whether it is out of control, reckless or dangerous. A foul is the first, where a player is late because of poor timing or more skill from an opponent. The second is where it may not be intentional to cause injury but the force is deemed excessive. The third is where another player's safety is put at risk and especially if the tackle is two footed or over the ball. Evans' two feet do leave the ground, but in the interest of planting one and kicking the ball with the other, before the two players get into the tackle. By the time they collide Shelvey's foot is still above the ball and half way up Evans' shin. Shelvey was reckless in his challenge, Evans was not. Whilst I doubt it was intentional or malicious, he could have caused serious injury, and deserved his red - Halsey got it right.

That is it exactly

 

[pasty]

Shelvey's was a red all day long. Can't even believe there is a discussion about it. Evans maybe a yellow.

 

[Albumen]

They look to be both off the floor the same amount of time. Very equal.

 

[KneeOn]

None. 50-50 ball, both players trying to play the ball. neither out skilled each other, both made contact, no injury and it wasn't any more dangerous a tackle made by either player. The punishment should be the same (if there is a punishment given). A reminder that tackles need to be under control to both in the next break in play.

 

[Mellotron]

It's not just whether a player wins the ball, but whether it is out of control, reckless or dangerous. A foul is the first, where a player is late because of poor timing or more skill from an opponent. The second is where it may not be intentional to cause injury but the force is deemed excessive.

Bang on. First person in the thread to hit nail on head. People who look first at "who won the ball" are coming at it from the wrong angle. Means shit all who won the ball if they're deemed to have been excessive in force, ie gone in quicker than needed.

 

[Mellotron]

Personally I would give a very strong yellow to both. Horrible challenge and could've easily ended a career.

 

[ForestRowSeagull]

I've played against Shelvey. Not that it matters, however I think it should be red for Shelvey and yellow for Evans

 

[Mellotron]

How can anyone give nothing against Evans?! He goes in with a two footed stamp over the ball.

 

[pasty]

Interesting reading on BBC website CLICK HERE

Effectively there are four types of challenge - firstly a correct tackle, where the player fairly wins the ball and there is no impact on their opponent, the vast majority of challenges.

A small element are careless - the player makes a legitimate attempt but either in their timing or the skill of the opponent, they foul the other player and a free kick is given.

If the tackle is reckless in nature, the player is booked, a yellow card is given.

If a player endangers the safety of their opponent, it's a red card, a sending-off.