Gully
Monkey in a seagull suit.
...turn off people who might otherwise vote for them, but who have different domestic arrangements, and object to people being given tax incentives purely due to wedlock!
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Will 'marriage' one day be a thing of the past?
- Thread starter Wilko
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...turn off people who might otherwise vote for them, but who have different domestic arrangements, and object to people being given tax incentives purely due to wedlock!
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
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first off, i dont beleive there are any decent "partnership" stats as its very difficult to track. secondly it seems to me that the importance of a father figure is about being in the childs life, not married to the mother.
Gully
Monkey in a seagull suit.
I have always thought that the most important thing about any relationship is how you both treat each other, that you remain faithful, supportive and monogomous...I wouldn't need a marriage certificate to prove that, it is just how I am.
I have an aunt who married her partner a couple of years ago, they had been together for over 25 years but wanted to avoid the complications that can be faced by unmarried couples when one of them dies, thus for them marriage was more to avoid future problems than anything else.
I have an aunt who married her partner a couple of years ago, they had been together for over 25 years but wanted to avoid the complications that can be faced by unmarried couples when one of them dies, thus for them marriage was more to avoid future problems than anything else.
Not sure about the house purchase.....mates or strangers buy houses together sometimes;but having a child is obviously a huge committment.Yes,of course,you can commit without a bit of paper,but the stats say that far more 'partner parents' break up than married parents which suggests several things ..one of which MAY be that those who are prepared to commit to the 'public statement' of marriage and all that goes with it may actually be more committed than those who merely live together.I reckon that 'marrieds' are more likely to work thro' any lows or problems in a relationship than 'partners' are, and the stats suggest I am correct!
There are plenty of statistics concerning the break up of married and non married parents.
Yes ,it is important that the father figures in the child's life and I think most people would agree that it is preferable if those parents live together as a family unit...not apart.All I am saying is more unmarried parents break up than do married parents!....That is all.
- Jul 7, 2003
- 47,501
Slightly unfair IMHO to suggest that ALL women want the big day, dress etc.
I have friends who snuck off abroad to get married without the family knowing, or who had small registry office ceremonies. They're all still together years down the line.
Personally I don't think I could do the whole church thing simply because I don't attend church myself, and it looks terribly hypocritical to me when people who haven't been since they were kids wheel up at the altar, mumble along to hymns that only the elderly relatives know the words or tune to, just to have a set of nice photos at the end of the day.
Not against marriage at all, but the grand gesture thing just doesn't appeal to me.
I have friends who snuck off abroad to get married without the family knowing, or who had small registry office ceremonies. They're all still together years down the line.
Personally I don't think I could do the whole church thing simply because I don't attend church myself, and it looks terribly hypocritical to me when people who haven't been since they were kids wheel up at the altar, mumble along to hymns that only the elderly relatives know the words or tune to, just to have a set of nice photos at the end of the day.
Not against marriage at all, but the grand gesture thing just doesn't appeal to me.
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- #28
Same for me, do not like the big grand gesture thing and I too would find it hypocritical getting married in a church.
BTW Edna, I did not say ALL women. Read the first post again
withdeanwombat
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Also started in "partnership" but married when the kids were small.For our marriage we pitched up at the Registry Office and coopted a couple of passers by for our witnesses.It was a small "do" followed by a very good meal in an excellent French restaurant in a small provincial town.Families were a bit miffed ,though.
- Jul 7, 2003
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Same for me, do not like the big grand gesture thing and I too would find it hypocritical getting married in a church.
BTW Edna, I did not say ALL women. Read the first post again
Not you, someone else did
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- #31
Not you, someone else did
Ah, so they did. Out of interest, do you feel any social pressure to be married or have kids as a female (knowing we are both of the same age)?
Mendoza
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- Jul 7, 2003
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Hmmm, I don't think so particularly, or maybe I just don't notice it
My married-with-kids friends all seem to spend half their time complaining that they never get the chance to go out or have fun, so it seems the grass is always greener, whichever side you're on.ben andrews' girlfriend
Nurse Laura
Is it though Laura because you want a nice dress and wedding rather than actually being married? The reason I ask is because surely you can have love, romance, companionship, children etc without a certificate?
Just interested like
No, I honestly want a marriage. I want to call someone my husband, and to be called "wife". I want a certificate.
Of course I'd want the wedding too!
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- #35
I have just found my ideal man
do you fancy meeting for a drink??
Only if we can open our own pub called 'The cross BAR & in'
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
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and im say ing i dount there are decent stats to back that up. who tracks unmarried partners with children? how accurate are the married stats which are tracked, when you consider all the astranged marriages. fact is you can walk out the door just as easy with a marriage certificate as without.
- Jan 18, 2009
- 4,866
Does this include arranged marriages?
I would be prepared to bet that they have been on the rise in the last 20 years and that numbers will continue. Any takers?
That 'expert' can stick that in his secularist pipe and smoke it.
I would be prepared to bet that they have been on the rise in the last 20 years and that numbers will continue. Any takers?
That 'expert' can stick that in his secularist pipe and smoke it.
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- #38
Errr, he isn't anti-marriage at all, he is a married man that happens to be making a prediction, a hypothesis. Do not really understand your reaction.
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
- 35,850
im sure there has been a infintesimally small national increase in arranged marriages that might affect 4% of the population. did you have a point?
- Jan 18, 2009
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Errr, you start a thread and invite views from NSC on an 'experts' view on marriage being on the decline with one of the main reasons for decline being the rise of seclarism. Yes?
Well then my view was that seclarism is not on the rise per se and in fact across the demographic faith groups are on the increase. Some of these practice arranged marriages, not forced marriages of course although apparently these happen as the Department for Children's website confirms.
Latest 2009 figures show that the majority of reportings to the FMU involve families of Pakistani (70 per cent), and Bangladeshi (11 per cent) origin, with smaller percentages of those of Indian, Middle Eastern, European and African origin. Victims in 14 per cent of cases are male, 33% of all assistance cases are under 18 and 14% are under 16 years of age.
So if these communities are increasing due to immigration so will arranged marriages (not forced marriages).
Hope this is clear enough for you.