What is the MATTER with people in East Belfast?

[Simster]

No, you are quite right. Every problem in this country has been caused by dark chaps moving into London.

Is that the best you can do to what was a fairly even handed question? You sound like Gareth Glover.

 

[The Spanish]

I wouldnt want to argue with a lot of your post , apart from the smug, self satisfied part about people " choosing" where they live , a lot of the white working class in london dont have a choice about where they live , and it grates for people like you to smugly extol the virtues of unchecked immigration and multiculturalism whilst its not your local health trust spending millions on fighting tb and a multitude of other problems amongst 3rd world imnmigrants adversely affecting other areas, its not your kids who are in a minority of 20 % in the classroom, its not your family that sees social housing go to " asylum seekers " and " high priority" immigrants , i.e families with kids, is it ?

exactly and he couldnt give a f***. As long as you say the right thing thats all that counts.

 

[El Presidente]

I dont live in london !! I got out , I could afford to, thousands cant, and its their health services, schools and social housing that are under unimaginable strain from 3rd world imnmigrants, never mind though, because [MENTION=12901]CheeseRolls[/MENTION] from shoreham beach has benefited from this.

Bushy, two words mate, ESTONIAN HOOKERS

 

[Nibble]

see thats insulting nibble you dont go to my local schools doctors or hospitals. we would have the cash if we hadnt imported a job lot of poverty. see you have fallen into the trap of blaming some phantom bankers when you should be blaming the people who thought it was in their mandate to divvy up what little cash we had left to give the third world a leg up and have em over for tea. at someone elses house.

That's the problem. I don't think we will ever agree on this because we simply don't agree what is causing the problems in teh first place. There's not much further we can go.

 

[Nibble]

Is that the best you can do to what was a fairly even handed question? You sound like Gareth Glover.

This is the best I am prepared to do yes.

 

[The Spanish]

That's the problem. I don't think we will ever agree on this because we simply don't agree what is causing the problems in teh first place. There's not much further we can go.

no the problem is you dont understand. i understand the need for immigration, what i dont understand is the need for massive amounts of unproductive chain immigration just because of some vague sense of it makes us somehow better people.

 

[User removed 4]

Bushy, two words mate, ESTONIAN HOOKERS

Or konnie huq ?

 

[Simster]

This is the best I am prepared to do yes.

I think you're losing the argument. As the [MENTION=12211]The Spanish[/MENTION] says, it's all very well blaming this phantom group of people but I suggest you would take issue with it if you could any way be identified as a successful city boy type yourself.

 

[User removed 4]

Is that the best you can do to what was a fairly even handed question? You sound like Gareth Glover.

You had to bait a hook and throw it out didnt you ?

 

[Nibble]

no the problem is you dont understand. i understand the need for immigration, what i dont understand is the need for massive amounts of unproductive chain immigration just because of some vague sense of it makes us somehow better people.

I would think that it is a combination of factors. I have absolutely no doubt the UK government has let immigration go unchecked to the detriment of the UK. The problem you have and aren't aware of is that you have been fed the line that immigration has caused all the problems in inner city London and you have fallen for it hook line and sinker. One cannot afford to be that naive.

Stop assuming that just because someone doesn't take your exact stance that they know nothing.

 

[Nibble]

I think you're losing the argument. As the [MENTION=12211]The Spanish[/MENTION] says, it's all very well blaming this phantom group of people but I suggest you would take issue with it if you could any way be identified as a successful city boy type yourself.

I can say with an honest heart that I would in no way want to be a city boy, rich or otherwise. Nice stirring though.

 

[User removed 4]

I would think that it is a combination of factors. I have absolutely no doubt the UK government has let immigration go unchecked to the detriment of the UK. The problem you have and aren't aware of is that you have been fed the line that immigration has caused all the problems in inner city London and you have fallen for it hook line and sinker. One cannot afford to be that naive. Stop assuming that just because someone doesn't take your exact stance that they know nothing.

Nibble he sees and lives with it first hand day in day out, he lives in south east london , rather than pontificating from the comfort of brighton and hove.

 

[El Presidente]

Sadly like all attempts to have a serious debate about immigration, it descends into a binfest.

As someone who is trying to boost UK exports through encouraging foreign postgrad students to come to the UK, the current policy of this government is driven by ideology rather than economics.

I have a dozen overseas students wanting to pay £15,000 each to attend a course (paying up front), but the Borders Agency put so many barriers in the way, and create such administrative problems, that I end up doing something less problematic instead.

Net result, instead of being able to recruit a part time BRITISH tutor to oversee them, pay him a decent salary and make some money for the organisation I wait for, as well as the Treasury, they instead go to another country.

I'm not driven by a party political manifesto, just practicalities, if you listened to 'Wake up to Money' this morning on Five Live you would have heard employers bemoaning the same thing, there is a skills shortage in this country that would usually be solved by migrant labour, but under the current diktat by the clowns in charge posts go unfilled, entrepreneurship is stifled, services have holes in and EVERYONE loses, including the governments coffers.

The Economist has a superb article on the subject, but as it is more than four lines long will no doubt go unread.

http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21564841-britains-immigration-policy-crippling-business-and-economy-wake-up-mr-cameron-tories

 

[Nibble]

Nibble he sees and lives with it first hand day in day out, he lives in south east london , rather than pontificating from the comfort of brighton and hove.

Or say, Haywards Heath.

 

[User removed 4]

Sadly like all attempts to have a serious debate about immigration, it descends into a binfest.

As someone who is trying to boost UK exports through encouraging foreign postgrad students to come to the UK, the current policy of this government is driven by ideology rather than economics.

I have a dozen overseas students wanting to pay £15,000 each to attend a course (paying up front), but the Borders Agency put so many barriers in the way, and create such administrative problems, that I end up doing something less problematic instead.

Net result, instead of being able to recruit a part time BRITISH tutor to oversee them, pay him a decent salary and make some money for the organisation I wait for, as well as the Treasury, they instead go to another country.

I'm not driven by a party political manifesto, just practicalities, if you listened to 'Wake up to Money' this morning on Five Live you would have heard employers bemoaning the same thing, there is a skills shortage in this country that would usually be solved by migrant labour, but under the current diktat by the clowns in charge posts go unfilled, entrepreneurship is stifled, services have holes in and EVERYONE loses, including the governments coffers.

The Economist has a superb article on the subject, but as it is more than four lines long will no doubt go unread.

http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21564841-britains-immigration-policy-crippling-business-and-economy-wake-up-mr-cameron-tories

The UKBA needs root and branch reform, I've provided a link to their latest cock up, the main thrust of the complaint is that they were sending texts to legal immigrants, why has nobody suggested that the vast amount of illegals that go missing may be down to them receiving a HANDY WARNING TEXT that we're " on to them " !!

UKBA's 'Competence' Questioned After Deportation Text Messages Sent To Legal Immigrants

 

[User removed 4]

Or say, Haywards Heath.

I work in london every day, i still socialise here, I've lived here as recently as 2 years ago............you ?

 

[Nibble]

I work in london every day, i still socialise here, I've lived here as recently as 2 years ago............you ?

I work in many parts of london frequently but no, don't live there and therefore am excluded from having a view.

 

[The Spanish]

Sadly like all attempts to have a serious debate about immigration, it descends into a binfest.

As someone who is trying to boost UK exports through encouraging foreign postgrad students to come to the UK, the current policy of this government is driven by ideology rather than economics.

I have a dozen overseas students wanting to pay £15,000 each to attend a course (paying up front), but the Borders Agency put so many barriers in the way, and create such administrative problems, that I end up doing something less problematic instead.

Net result, instead of being able to recruit a part time BRITISH tutor to oversee them, pay him a decent salary and make some money for the organisation I wait for, as well as the Treasury, they instead go to another country.

I'm not driven by a party political manifesto, just practicalities, if you listened to 'Wake up to Money' this morning on Five Live you would have heard employers bemoaning the same thing, there is a skills shortage in this country that would usually be solved by migrant labour, but under the current diktat by the clowns in charge posts go unfilled, entrepreneurship is stifled, services have holes in and EVERYONE loses, including the governments coffers.

The Economist has a superb article on the subject, but as it is more than four lines long will no doubt go unread.

http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21564841-britains-immigration-policy-crippling-business-and-economy-wake-up-mr-cameron-tories

perhaps if we hadnt had the last 15 years insanity then we wouldnt be at this point now. yes its frustrating el pres but this is not unique to the UK by a long chalk.

 

[CheeseRolls]

exactly and he couldnt give a f***. As long as you say the right thing thats all that counts.

Sigh - There is a world of difference between not caring and agreeing with you and bushy.

Under your planned economy cohesion will come from forcibly moving out a large portion of the population and forcibly moving in a swathe of non-Londoners like myself to create a new social experimental city. Who exactly is going to benefit from this grand vision ?

 

[User removed 4]

Sigh - There is a world of difference between not caring and agreeing with you and bushy.

Under your planned economy cohesion will come from forcibly moving out a large portion of the population and forcibly moving in a swathe of non-Londoners like myself to create a new social experimental city. Who exactly is going to benefit from this grand vision ?

Totally and utterly deliberate , in fact a ridiculously transparent, misreading of what someone has posted, because you know that you really dont have a credible response.