We have a new Governator here in California,

[looney]

The Swiss are armed to the teeth, but they have a low murder rate, the difference with the USA and the Swiss is higher levels of social breakdown, broken homes, poverty etc in the USA, add racism as well.

Poor old lefty pics a target he hates rather than one that fits the facts.

 

[bhaexpress]

That Heckler Koch machine pistol, is it an auto-fire, that is, continues to fire as long as one pulls the trigger OR an auto-loader?

You know, I never bothered to ask, my point is, why does a citizen need such a weapon in the first place ?

 

[looney]

You know, I never bothered to ask, my point is, why does a citizen need such a weapon in the first place ?

a clean kill is far more humane.


Plus a fully automatic rifle means you can get to bag all of em before some of em manage to flee.

 

[Bare]

bhaexpress

You know the first auto-loading pistol was built back in the late 1800's. It was called a double action six-shooter. People loved it.

My guess is, it's an auto-loader which means it fires with a single pull of the trigger. No other action is necessary to fire the next shot, just another pull of the trigger will shoot the gun.

A machine pistol or a machine gun or a sub-machine gun is an auto-fire weapon and they require a special license from the US Dept of Treasury. There are places one can go to rent such a weapon and fire it at a shooting range. A fun thing to do.

In addition to self defense, we love to go and shoot, target practice. Not to mention hunting for wild game to nourish the body. I'm sure your friends HK auto-loader is just such a weapon. One more thing, we like to own good works of craftmanship. HKs are just such weapons.

 

[bhaexpress]

It's my brother in law, work of art ? It's deadly ! How many lunatics are out there with that sort of weapon. oh yeah, Street Gangs.

Always makes me smile when I hear Americans going onabout SOccer violence when they have 12 year olds raoming the streets with semi automatics and worse (and don't try and make out they don't) I've been there more than a few times, have been engaged to two Americans and married another. I mean, you even have some of these psychos in sleepy little nowehere towns in Georgia Tennesee (or so the locals have told me) and I've seen it in Oklahoma City, hardly a thobbing mertopolis.

The NRA should be shut down and all their members institutionalised.

 

[Zeitgeist]

bhaexpress

You know the first auto-loading pistol was built back in the late 1800's. It was called a double action six-shooter. People loved it.

My guess is, it's an auto-loader which means it fires with a single pull of the trigger. No other action is necessary to fire the next shot, just another pull of the trigger will shoot the gun.

A machine pistol or a machine gun or a sub-machine gun is an auto-fire weapon and they require a special license from the US Dept of Treasury. There are places one can go to rent such a weapon and fire it at a shooting range. A fun thing to do.

In addition to self defense, we love to go and shoot, target practice. Not to mention hunting for wild game to nourish the body. I'm sure your friends HK auto-loader is just such a weapon. One more thing, we like to own good works of craftmanship. HKs are just such weapons.

People who have an unhealthy obsession with guns have always bothered me. Todays gun freak, tomorrows psychopath?....

 

[Juan Albion]

The NRA should be shut down and all their members institutionalised.

Did you see Charlton Heston in 'Bowling for Columbine'?

What a sad old man.

 

[Bare]

HK is not the weapon of choice for gangbangers.

And what do you call "unhealthy obsession?"

Signed,
Unhealthy, obsessed, institutionalised psychopath

 

[Bare]

Gangbanger are not known for their expertise in shooting. They like to 'spay and pray.' Myself, I'm good out to about 500 yards and to that well one must be a reloader. That is , I manufacture my own ammunition.

I still need to find out how to tell if I'm a redneck. An unhealthy obsessed, institutionalised, psychopath redneck. How does one tell?

 

[bhaexpress]

HK is not the weapon of choice for gangbangers.

And what do you call "unhealthy obsession?"

Signed,
Unhealthy, obsessed, institutionalised psychopath

Whatever ? Why isn't there some measure of gun control ? Because the people don't want it. You know, Americans mock Canadians which is rather sad as the Canadians have things like, Gun Control, a decent health system, a decent welfare system, and, oh yes, a far lower crime rate. There's two million Americans in various prisons throughout the Union tand that's an ugly statistic as it's a far higher proportion of the country's population than probably any country in the world.

I may be moving there but unlike some I don't think the that the US is the greatest country in the world, far from it. Were it not for the fact that my wife has four kids there then she'd be moving here. We may not be perfect in the UK but at least we really do live in a real democracy.

 

[Zeitgeist]

. An unhealthy obsessed, institutionalised, psychopath redneck. How does one tell?

Quite simply, you can't tell. In this country we've only had two incidents of mainiacs going on the rampage with guns since 1987. On the surface they appeared normal citizens to people that knew them. The common denominator between the two? Thomas Hamilton and Michael Ryan were both members of their local gun club!!!

 

[bhaexpress]

Yeah, they recently reopened the Tower at Austin (Texas) University where that maniac killed 21 people. I've been up it for what it's worth.

Whe our schools get metal detectors and have Policemen permanently standing by then I'd start to worry about the UK !

 

[Guinness Boy]

I keep hearing about crime statistics here and how bad it is here in the US and how not so bad it is in the UK. This argument is used to justify not having guns. I have been conducting some research on the subject although I'm not a good researcher. I found this websight and I'll agree it is probably not the best, but here it is;

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs2/hosb502.pdf

On page eight you find a chart comparing crime stats. On the top you'll find the UKs stats on a steady increase and on the bottom you'll see the USA stats on a steady decline. I have also read elsewhere our Aussie friends are complaining about an increase in crime since they instituted gun-control in their country.

On page 10 you can observe that the UKs stats are up by a large margin and the US crime stats are down moderately.

All in all, I think this argument about how low the crime stats are in the UK and how high the crime stats are in the US is bogus.

I welcome anyone who can research better than I to offer a better review so that we all can observe.

So if your crime stats are down so much why do you need to protect your "poke" from robbers and rapists with a gun? There aren't any. You've just admitted that yourself. BTW as an avid Brighton fan, Bare, you're presumably logged in to the game so I expect an answer to that point within a couple of hours minimum.

How do you know you're a redneck? Just take our word for it mate. Redneck has got more than one syllable and we wouldn't want your head exploding would we?

 

[Bare]

bhaexpress
All those things you said about Canada are socialist programs. Are you a believer in socialism?

Zeitgeist
Are you saying I'm a criminal? If so, what charge?

 

[Guinness Boy]

Canadians are hardly all driving Ladas, wearing brown trousers and being followed by a couple of guys in suits everywhere are they? If socialism gets you a decent health and welfare system and a low crime rate then I think you've just converted me to it Bare.

 

[bhaexpress]

bhaexpress
All those things you said about Canada are socialist programs. Are you a believer in socialism?

Zeitgeist
Are you saying I'm a criminal? If so, what charge?

Every post you do makes you look even more stupid. Why do you bother coming on here when you're clearly retarded. You comments about Canada are those that would only be made by someone who has had the 'benefit' of the truly abysmal education system. ( I have three step children in it and I know how bad it is).

Zeitgeist was merely pointing out the connection between guns and mass murder, once again proving that you don't have a clue.

It may have escaped your noitce that this is a football (that's proper football to you) and frankly not the place for your pro gun drivel. In the UK we tend to know better.

 

[Zeitgeist]

Zeitgeist Are you saying I'm a criminal? If so, what charge?

Guilty of being blinkered and naive maybe?..tut.. I don't know?!......People like you need shooting.....

 

[Zeitgeist]

Zeitgeist Are you saying I'm a criminal? If so, what charge?

Guilty of being blinkered and naive maybe?..tut.. I don't know?!......People like you need shooting.....

 

[Juan Albion]

Bare has obviously been listening to too much of Rush Limbaugh's garbage.

BTW, it seems there is another nice American exercising his/her right to self-defence by shooting at cars on a road near Columbus, Ohio. 11 shootings so far, but luckily only one fatality as the culprit is clearly a bad shot. Nice to know someone has the sense to take a nice proactive stance in this self-defence thing - get the bastards before they can even think of getting you, just like those nice guys near Washington last year.

And, Bare, your comments on Canada are rather ignorant. You should come up here to find out what life can really be like.

 

[bhaexpress]

You in Canada Juan ?