Vaughan stands down as England captain!

[Mendoza]

source?....

the official ECB press conference live on Sky Sorts News, not just one of my rumours

 

[Marc]

blimey colly gone aswell, well thats pietersen for the one day and did'nt the chairman of selectors state he prefers one captain for both sides? or someone in the hierchy (sp?) did anyway

 

[Chesney Christ]

Flintoff

AAAARRRRRGGGHHHHH. Please no....

 

[vegster]

blimey colly gone aswell, well thats pietersen for the one day and did'nt the chairman of selectors state he prefers one captain for both sides? or someone in the hierchy (sp?) did anyway

I'm surprised Collingwood has walked.... I had the idea that they could give the captaincy to Colly for the Oval and bring in Key to observe and involve himself. Then Key slots in to the one day team ( he is quite a Banger in one dayers)under Collingwood. By the time we get to the test series in India, Key takes the reins.. well thats that logical sequence blown ! :thud:

 

[Burgess Hill Seagulls]

Because he's not?

How many runs has he got in this series?

 

[Marc]

How many runs has he got in this series?

he's out of form, every batsmen/bowler goes through this, does'nt mean they are shit....just shit at this moment in time. His overall batting is great throughout his career.

 

[Scotty Mac]

if only ronnie irani was still playing

 

[tedebear]

Seemed like a nice guy but never really had enough fiery agressiveness about him to be a captain in my opinion. Don't know him personally but thats how he seemed. England too me always seem a little too gentlemanly to win anything....Pieterson is a bit better at the passion and competitive agression, but he's a bit of a loose cannon too...Can't think of anyone who is worthy of being captain at the moment - someone will get appointed but no-one deserves it....

 

[Cheshire Cat]

On September 12, 2005, Michael Vaughan secured his place in English sporting history by becoming the first captain to win an Ashes series since Mike Gatting in 1986-87. It was the culmination of a five-year journey for Vaughan, whose captaincy - calm, obdurate and ruthlessly effective - had become as classy and composed as the batting technique that, briefly, carried him to the top of the world rankings. With a priceless ability to treat triumph and disaster just the same, Vaughan faced up to his first ball in Test cricket with England four wickets down for two runs on a damp flyer at Johannesburg in 1999-2000, and drew immediate comparisons with Michael Atherton for his inhumanly calm aura at the crease. But, despite the obvious similarities between the two - from their Mancunian heritage to their indifference to sledging - Vaughan soon demonstrated he was more than just a like-for-like replacement. Once he had made the place his own, Vaughan blossomed magnificently, playing with a freedom of expression that Atherton had never dared to approach. He sparkled his way to 900 runs in seven Tests against Sri Lanka and India in 2002, the prelude to a formidable series in Australia in which he became the first visiting batsman for 32 years to top 600 runs. Despite the fact that his one-day record at the time scarcely matched up to his impressive Test figures, he was appointed captain of England's one-day side in time for the 2003 home season, and inherited the Test captaincy two weeks later when Nasser Hussain abdicated out of the blue. Hussain, astutely, had spotted Vaughan's burgeoning man-management abilities, and despite a torrid baptism, including a record-breaking defeat at Lord's, Vaughan guided his team to a 2-2 draw. After a stutter in Sri Lanka, he confirmed the arrival of a new era by routing West Indies on their home soil, the first time in three decades an England team had achieved such a feat. Returning home, he won seven out of seven Tests by whitewashing first New Zealand (3-0) then West Indies (4-0), went on to record a memorable 2-1 series win in South Africa, and then achieved Nirvana with a 2-1 triumph in arguably the greatest series of all time. But then came a terrible hiatus. A recurrence of an old knee injury meant that Marcus Trescothick stood in for the first Test of the post-Ashes era, in Pakistan, and the seriousness of the issue really became clear three months later in India, when he was forced home for a series of operations that wrecked his 2006 season and ensured that he would not be fit to lead England's return trip to Australia. Andrew Flintoff took over the captaincy, but the calls for Vaughan's return grew louder as England were bundled ever closer to their eventual 5-0 whitewash. Vaughan was duly recalled, as captain, for the one-day series and retained for the World Cup in spite of a debilitating hamstring strain that reduced him to just three appearances out of ten in a victorious CB Series campaign. He limped his way through the World Cup, in every sense of the word, becoming an increasing liability in the top order. Two months later he quit the limited-overs captaincy, but by then he had re-established himself at the helm of the Test side. He scored a memorable century on home turf at Headingley in his comeback game, before going on to overhaul Peter May's record of 20 wins as England captain, but was never quite the same. Results faded away and, after defeat to South Africa at Edgbaston, he emotionally resigned although vowed to play on.
Andrew Miller August 2008
Cricinfo - Players and Officials - Michael Vaughan

Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 4s 6s Ct St
Tests 82 147 9 5719 197 41.44 11184 51.13 18 18 742 22 44 0

 

[Cheshire Cat]

On September 12, 2005, Michael Vaughan secured his place in English sporting history by becoming the first captain to win an Ashes series since Mike Gatting in 1986-87. It was the culmination of a five-year journey for Vaughan, whose captaincy - calm, obdurate and ruthlessly effective - had become as classy and composed as the batting technique that, briefly, carried him to the top of the world rankings. With a priceless ability to treat triumph and disaster just the same, Vaughan faced up to his first ball in Test cricket with England four wickets down for two runs on a damp flyer at Johannesburg in 1999-2000, and drew immediate comparisons with Michael Atherton for his inhumanly calm aura at the crease. But, despite the obvious similarities between the two - from their Mancunian heritage to their indifference to sledging - Vaughan soon demonstrated he was more than just a like-for-like replacement. Once he had made the place his own, Vaughan blossomed magnificently, playing with a freedom of expression that Atherton had never dared to approach. He sparkled his way to 900 runs in seven Tests against Sri Lanka and India in 2002, the prelude to a formidable series in Australia in which he became the first visiting batsman for 32 years to top 600 runs. Despite the fact that his one-day record at the time scarcely matched up to his impressive Test figures, he was appointed captain of England's one-day side in time for the 2003 home season, and inherited the Test captaincy two weeks later when Nasser Hussain abdicated out of the blue. Hussain, astutely, had spotted Vaughan's burgeoning man-management abilities, and despite a torrid baptism, including a record-breaking defeat at Lord's, Vaughan guided his team to a 2-2 draw. After a stutter in Sri Lanka, he confirmed the arrival of a new era by routing West Indies on their home soil, the first time in three decades an England team had achieved such a feat. Returning home, he won seven out of seven Tests by whitewashing first New Zealand (3-0) then West Indies (4-0), went on to record a memorable 2-1 series win in South Africa, and then achieved Nirvana with a 2-1 triumph in arguably the greatest series of all time. But then came a terrible hiatus. A recurrence of an old knee injury meant that Marcus Trescothick stood in for the first Test of the post-Ashes era, in Pakistan, and the seriousness of the issue really became clear three months later in India, when he was forced home for a series of operations that wrecked his 2006 season and ensured that he would not be fit to lead England's return trip to Australia. Andrew Flintoff took over the captaincy, but the calls for Vaughan's return grew louder as England were bundled ever closer to their eventual 5-0 whitewash. Vaughan was duly recalled, as captain, for the one-day series and retained for the World Cup in spite of a debilitating hamstring strain that reduced him to just three appearances out of ten in a victorious CB Series campaign. He limped his way through the World Cup, in every sense of the word, becoming an increasing liability in the top order. Two months later he quit the limited-overs captaincy, but by then he had re-established himself at the helm of the Test side. He scored a memorable century on home turf at Headingley in his comeback game, before going on to overhaul Peter May's record of 20 wins as England captain, but was never quite the same. Results faded away and, after defeat to South Africa at Edgbaston, he emotionally resigned although vowed to play on.
Andrew Miller August 2008
Cricinfo - Players and Officials - Michael Vaughan

Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 4s 6s Ct St
Tests 82 147 9 5719 197 41.44 11184 51.13 18 18 742 22 44 0

 

[dougdeep]

You can say that again.

 

[crodonilson]

I just hope in the time he takes away he gets a good haircut.

 

[Keeping The Dream Alive.]

Micheal Vaughan - England Legend.

 

[Zesh Rehman]

hes such a great captain, and a brilliant batsman (use to be anyway) sad to see him go, the first captain in 25 years to win us the ashes and alot of it was down to his great tactics. also i saw his last century

 

[Uncle Buck]

The team needs a good clear out. Bring some youngsters in.

Again a throw away one line, but sod it, going to pick up on this.

You say clear the team out and bring the youngsters in, what youngsters would these be? Having watched a lot of county cricket in the last few years, there are not a huge amount of youngsters out there ready to make the step up. Broad has come in and people are raving about him, but he should not be near the England side until his bowling is up to it. Yes he has done well with the bat and his runs at 8 are a bonus, but ultimately he is in there to take wickets and he has not done that.

What England need to do is pick their best players, which they have not done this summer. I wonder how long Moores can hold on for, as he seems to be the McLaren of cricket. He got the job so the ECB could justify their structure and so they had to appoint from within, when they should have gone for Moody. Moores seems to still have the hump with Harmison over the New Zealand tour, when with the form he has shown, he should be in. Sidebottom looks to be carrying an injury, so really Jones should come in for him at the Oval. Gibson has improved Anderson, but for the Oval I do think that Hoggard should probably come in for him. Do you see Doug, so youngsters in the fast bowling department being mentioned. Plunkett has not licked on, Onions has not done as much this season as expected and Saj still leaks.

Keeping wise, well if England are not going to pick their best keeper (which they should do for the India tour as he played in the ICL and it would really piss the India Cricket Board off), then really you have to go back to Prior, as he can bat at 6. Fosters batting is not good enough and Davies has not kicked on this year. Again Doug, we are going back to players who have been tried before, simply as there are not really the options of promising youngsters there. Hodd and Brown at Sussex seem to be the promising young keepers, but they are not playing as Prior is the man in form.

Now on to the batsmen. I guess for the Oval, Bell will move to 3 (presuming they go with 5 bowlers) and Collingwood will come in at 5, with Prior at 6. For options outside of the current batsmen, you are looking at Shah (nearly 30), Key (pushing 30) and maybe Bopara (mid 20’s). Again all players that England have looked at in the past. Once again there are no untried youngsters out there being mentioned.

Maybe for the next Ashes tour Rashid and Harris might have kicked on, however now there are not the youngsters there to throw in, so maybe back up the throw away comments?

 

[Storer68]

It has to be Pieterson as the ecb have to get him tied down contractually to stop him swanning off to make big dollars from next years ipl which will end very close to the start of next years ashes.......

If the cost of that is to make him captain, then so be it.

Mind you, being England captain didn't stop Tony Greig (another anglo South African) jacking the job in and taking the Packer dollar in 1977

 

[DJ Leon]

Seemed like a nice guy but never really had enough fiery agressiveness about him to be a captain in my opinion. Don't know him personally but thats how he seemed. England too me always seem a little too gentlemanly to win anything....Pieterson is a bit better at the passion and competitive agression, but he's a bit of a loose cannon too...Can't think of anyone who is worthy of being captain at the moment - someone will get appointed but no-one deserves it....

Aren't you Australian? Did you see the Ashes 2005? About 20 minutes in Harmison scarred Ponting and not one Englishmen went to see how he was. That was Vaughan's instruction and Ponting complained about it vehemently arguing that this was cricket not war. That series was unflinchingly agressive and just a continuation of Vaughan's approach in SA (where he made a real enemy out of Smith) and WI previously. Vaughan was a VERY tough captain.

 

[Mendoza]

Kevin Pietersen will be made captain of both Test team and One day team

That is a prediction worthy of Mon Oncle Spielburg, probably with his usual result.

 

[London Calling]

Again a throw away one line, but sod it, going to pick up on this.

You say clear the team out and bring the youngsters in, what youngsters would these be? Having watched a lot of county cricket in the last few years, there are not a huge amount of youngsters out there ready to make the step up. Broad has come in and people are raving about him, but he should not be near the England side until his bowling is up to it. Yes he has done well with the bat and his runs at 8 are a bonus, but ultimately he is in there to take wickets and he has not done that.

What England need to do is pick their best players, which they have not done this summer. I wonder how long Moores can hold on for, as he seems to be the McLaren of cricket. He got the job so the ECB could justify their structure and so they had to appoint from within, when they should have gone for Moody. Moores seems to still have the hump with Harmison over the New Zealand tour, when with the form he has shown, he should be in. Sidebottom looks to be carrying an injury, so really Jones should come in for him at the Oval. Gibson has improved Anderson, but for the Oval I do think that Hoggard should probably come in for him. Do you see Doug, so youngsters in the fast bowling department being mentioned. Plunkett has not licked on, Onions has not done as much this season as expected and Saj still leaks.

Keeping wise, well if England are not going to pick their best keeper (which they should do for the India tour as he played in the ICL and it would really piss the India Cricket Board off), then really you have to go back to Prior, as he can bat at 6. Fosters batting is not good enough and Davies has not kicked on this year. Again Doug, we are going back to players who have been tried before, simply as there are not really the options of promising youngsters there. Hodd and Brown at Sussex seem to be the promising young keepers, but they are not playing as Prior is the man in form.

Now on to the batsmen. I guess for the Oval, Bell will move to 3 (presuming they go with 5 bowlers) and Collingwood will come in at 5, with Prior at 6. For options outside of the current batsmen, you are looking at Shah (nearly 30), Key (pushing 30) and maybe Bopara (mid 20’s). Again all players that England have looked at in the past. Once again there are no untried youngsters out there being mentioned.

Maybe for the next Ashes tour Rashid and Harris might have kicked on, however now there are not the youngsters there to throw in, so maybe back up the throw away comments?

Quite depressing reading, basically in your anaylsis, we have perhaps 12-18 players of "test standard" but in reality only half of these are really fit and definately good enough to be there.