[Politics] Trump under fire.

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Well he looks like a deranged killer or junior janitor

 

[TomandJerry]

130m is more than doable with that kit. Is that what it was ? Security f***ed that one up.

If it was someone with a military background or someone with more experience with guns was shooting I've have absolutely no doubts Trump would have had his head blown off

 

[Sergei's Celebration]

That is highly probable, as we know the assassin was killed a very few seconds after opening fire. You can't blame the officer for ducking their head down on the ladder but it looks very much that they also lowered their hand, which presumably was holding their gun. It looks like the officer only raised that hand back up when it was (relatively) safe to do so i.e. when the assassin had started shooting towards the stage. Basically I think a member of the public died because a police officer thought saving their own hand from getting blown off was preferable.

Where is the bit about them lowering their hand? Is there video of this?

 

[GT49er]

It’s a horrible thing that has happened.

Yes.







............................he missed. Apart from Putin, Trump is probably the biggest threat of a third world war that is out there, still (unfortunately) alive.

 

[A1X]

Trump fans online are now talking about that photo of him bloodied and being led away by the Secret Service while raising his fist as “the hardest / most iconic photo ever”.

Hardly.

It’s a photo of a senile old fart covered in blood being removed by security after spouting some right wing nonsense. A scene that plays out in most Wetherspoons on a weekly basis.

 

[GT49er]

Trump fans online are now talking about that photo of him bloodied and being led away by the Secret Service while raising his fist as “the hardest / most iconic photo ever”.

Hardly.

It’s a photo of a senile old fart covered in blood being removed by security after spouting some right wing nonsense. A scene that plays out in most Wetherspoons on a weekly basis.

Quite agree - but your last sentence lets you down. Ignorance or prejudice? I'll leave that for others to discuss (even knowing that there are some on NSC that are far too precious to even sneak into Wetherspoons for a free pee when they're caught short!)

 

[Bodian]

Not done his finances any harm either.

Shares in Trump’s media group leap by a third after assassination attempt

Stock market indices also rise as chances of Trump victory in November election are perceived to grow

www.theguardian.com

 

[clapham_gull]

Trump fans online are now talking about that photo of him bloodied and being led away by the Secret Service while raising his fist as “the hardest / most iconic photo ever”.

Hardly.

It’s a photo of a senile old fart covered in blood being removed by security after spouting some right wing nonsense. A scene that plays out in most Wetherspoons on a weekly basis.

Unfortunately and such is life, it is a superb iconic photograph. A once in a lifetime shot.

The utter weirdness of America (well it's our weirdness with the religious extremism we somewhat exported) is there are probably enough people over there who genuinely believe he was saved by God.

Perhaps he was, but I'm not convinced God is his greatest fan.

He won't be around for ever and there is only so much damage he can do. I think we worry a lot about what he says and focus less on what he actually does because we don't live there.

 

[Gazwag]

It’s a photo of a senile old fart covered in blood being removed by security after spouting some right wing nonsense.

Whilst trying to find his shoes

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

That is rather a weighted and radical right wing and controversial magazine you linked to there - it courts conspiracy theories, promotes authoritarian leaders and supports the banning of all legal immigration into the States among other things and hasn’t used a fact checker since the 90s (wiki)

The actual legislative proposal was to end Secret Service protection for convicted felons that are sentenced to prison and hand that responsibility over to the Prison Services ( a link to FULL TEXT is in the main link below)

Ranking Member Thompson Introduces Legislation to Ensure No Secret Service Protection for Convicted Felons Sentenced to Prison | House Committee on Homeland Security

The Official Website of the House Committee on Homeland Security

democrats-homeland.house.gov

Thompson was happy for a ex president (and I'm assuming family) not to have a required levels of protection, then someone tries to kill him a few months later, proving it to be a nonsense idea.

Thompson was just trying to score cheap points.

 

[Fignon's Ponytail]

If it was someone with a military background or someone with more experience with guns was shooting I've have absolutely no doubts Trump would have had his head blown off

100%

 

[Zeberdi]

Thompson was happy for a ex president (and I'm assuming family) not to have a required levels of protection, then someone tries to kill him a few months later, proving it to be a nonsense idea.

Thompson was just trying to score cheap points.

Complete rubbish. The right wing press and some Republicans are trying to score ‘cheap political points’ after Trump’s assassination attempt.

If you read the legislation on the link I posted, it proposes that, if anyone (including Trump) is imprisoned, that security protection for imprisoned felons should be carried out by the prison service rather than the Secret Service. There is no provision for that to happen at the moment in current legislation because no ex-President (or anyone else under life long Secret Service protection has ever been imprisoned.

What Thompson was aiming to do was to prevent a situation where Trump could avoid a prison sentence on the grounds it would be a security risk because the prisons weren’t prepared to deal with the scenario they would have to protect an ex-President (or anyone else that qualifies for Secret Service protection).

It has absolutely nothing to do with protecting Trump outside prison or his family. For that, he is protected by law on the grounds laid out in my post above and will continue to be - nobody has suggested that be withdrawn or be any less than it should be by law.

It is all a moot point anyway - The Bill was introduced as a HR Member’s Bill back in April but was outvoted and went nowhere because the Republicans control the House of Representatives.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Complete rubbish. The right wing press and some Republicans are trying to score ‘cheap political points’ after Trump’s assassination attempt.

If you read the legislation on the link I posted, it proposes that, if anyone (including Trump) is imprisoned, that security protection for imprisoned felons should be carried out by the prison service rather than the Secret Service. There is no provision for that to happen at the moment in current legislation because no ex-President (or anyone else under life long Secret Service protection has ever been imprisoned.

What Thompson was aiming to do was to prevent a situation where Trump could avoid a prison sentence on the grounds it would be a security risk because the prisons weren’t prepared to deal with the scenario they would have to protect an ex-President (or anyone else that qualifies for Secret Service protection).

It has absolutely nothing to do with protecting Trump outside prison or his family. For that, he is protected by law on the grounds laid out in my post above and will continue to be - nobody has suggested that be withdrawn or be any less than it should be by law.

It is all a moot point anyway - The Bill was introduced as a HR Member’s Bill back in April but was outvoted and went nowhere because the Republicans control the House of Representatives.

There was no need for the policy to be brought in at all, he was / is unlikely to serve jail time, just a politician trying to make a name for himself.

Even if he did go to jail, why wouldn't the secret service protection be needed? Seems jail would be the place you would need it more.

 

[Cheeky Monkey]

Unfortunately and such is life, it is a superb iconic photograph. A once in a lifetime shot.

I assumed it was mocked up, with the flag added in the background later, similar to the 'iconic' but staged Iwo Jima flag raising shot that it's seemingly trying to replicate.

 

[Zeberdi]

There was no need for the policy to be brought in at all, he was / is unlikely to serve jail time, just a politician trying to make a name for himself.

I agree, I’ve never thought any of his indictments would lead to jail time - I’m not denying the proposal was political - the Dems are as bad as the Republicans in that respect tbh in using the system when they can to score political advantages . Thomson wanted to make sure Trump wouldn’t avoid a prison sentence just because his lawyers would argue his secret service detail couldn’t operate effectively/fit in with prison security procedures.

Even if he did go to jail, why wouldn't the secret service protection be needed? Seems jail would be the place you would need it more.

It wasn’t that it wouldn’t be needed but that it was proposed that the Prison Services would be better placed to come up with a suitable level of protection - otherwise you’d have Secret Service agents walking around with him everywhere, complicating existing prison protocols, and creating animosity from other prisoners - ie those also at high risk..

He would very unlikely be in the general prison population anyway if he were incarcerated.

 

[Right Brain Ronnie]

My point being it might not tell you anymore whether he listened to Marilyn Manson albums, watched JFK 1000 times, was a member of a political party, spoken to by aliens, or felt instructed by political rhetoric - he is another American that has felt the need to grab a gun and kill people.

Taking out a political figure probably makes more sense than so many other mass shootings that occur, but finding Catcher in the Rye in his bag is not going to give you your motive.

It might not, but it may well help, this guy was a fan of a YouTube channel Demolition Ranch, could that have been the catalyst ? All important data. There will be a motive against Trump or he would have just shot at anyone.
Whatever they find, the guy was a looney tune that owned a gun and had explosives that has to be a recipe for disaster, unfortunately others were involved in his failed plot. R I P

 

[dsr-burnley]

I assumed it was mocked up, with the flag added in the background later, similar to the 'iconic' but staged Iwo Jima flag raising shot that it's seemingly trying to replicate.

It was taken by a professional photographer who had about a minute between the shooting and the escorting to the vehicle. He would have been well aware of the background. The photographer wasn't bothered about getting a shot that would win kudos for Trump, he was bothered about the shot that gets kudos for himself (and I don't mean that as a criticism, I'm saying he was doing his job).

 

[Right Brain Ronnie]

You must think you're such a wonderful poster that nobody could possibly have you on ignore

To be honest I find his post way to long and with others to awnser I have to pick out the clearley made points. He can be quit demanding which overloads my decoding. I'm sure he will understand!

 

[Chicken Run]

You must think you're such a wonderful poster that nobody could possibly have you on ignore

He’s neurodiverse so probably not

 

[TomandJerry]

It might not, but it may well help, this guy was a fan of a YouTube channel Demolition Ranch, could that have been the catalyst ? All important data. There will be a motive against Trump or he would have just shot at anyone.
Whatever they find, the guy was a looney tune that owned a gun and had explosives that has to be a recipe for disaster, unfortunately others were involved in his failed plot. R I P

He didn't 'own a gun'

He stole his father's gun, which was bought legally