Pretty pink fairy
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football casuals v anti nazi / soap dodgers on saturday , has anyone got any reliable info on events??
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trouble in birmingham city centre
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Paxton Dazo
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cannedheat
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Tis the start of the rivers of blood I tell ya (that should flush a few out) the soap dodgers legged it when the casuals sprayed cans of Lynxs deoderant at them and that left the asian and darkies to hold the fort.
Paxton Dazo
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pishhead
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Heard the football lads had it on their toes from the Muslims
Pretty pink fairy
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rumour has it the Muslims were tooled up,also the police turned back a few hundred "LADS" at new street in the morning travelling up from the south
patchamalbion
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thats what it looked like from the video i saw,shame.did look like the cowards waited til they had big numbers though and then they only stole a flag!
Pretty pink fairy
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Paxton Dazo
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Dont need to guess twice what side got more arrests..
Lord Bracknell
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Birmingham Post - News - Latest News - Police blame yobs for Birmingham demonstrations violence
Police blame yobs for Birmingham demonstrations violence
Aug 11 2009 by John Marsden,
Birmingham Post
Police believe that gangs of yobs jumped on the back of opposing demonstrations in Birmingham city centre to cause violence.
Among those arrested was a 21-strong group of “local football supporters”, held on suspicion that they were running around trying to provoke trouble.
All of those arrested were from greater Birmingham.
Police said factions of youths from Birmingham broke away from the two protest groups seemingly intent on disorder.
More than 30 men, aged 15 to 32, were arrested.
Of those, 27 have been released on bail pending further inquiries, three have been charged with offences and three released without charge.
A 16-year-old Birmingham youth was given a final warning for using words or behaviour likely to cause alarm, harassment or distress.
A 32-year-old Birmingham man was charged with using threatening, abusive, insulting words or behaviour with intent to cause or provoke violence. He was bailed to appear before magistrates next Monday.
A Birmingham man, aged 21, was charged with failing to comply with a football banning order and a 22-year-old man charged with being drunk and disorderly. He was bailed to appear before magistrates on Friday.
A police investigation is now under way, using similar tactics to those that brought to justice yobs who rioted on the streets of Lozells five years ago.
Detectives are now examining hundreds of hours of video footage, taken from police evidence crews on the ground who filmed the event and also from the city’s banks of hi-tech CCTV cameras of the chaotic scenes in a bid to identify the troublemakers.
Anyone convicted of violence could also face an injunction banning them from the city centre.
“Isolated incidents of disorder occurred when small groups of protestors broke away and actively sought to engage in criminal behaviour,” said Chief Insp Mark Payne, spokesman for West Midlands Police.
“A post operation investigation is under way into any criminality that took place.
“As part of this investigation, police will be studying photographs and video images, arresting and prosecuting anyone identified found to be engaged in acts of criminality.
“We will also look at applying for injunctions to prevent people travelling to the West Midlands who are intent on causing trouble.”
Between 70 and 90 protesters from a recently-formed group, known as either the English and Welsh Defence League or Casuals United, were met off coaches as they arrived in Birmingham.
After being contained in Victoria Square, their demonstration, described as being against Islamic fundamentalism, finished at 6.30pm and they left the city.
A counter protest by the group Unite Against Facism gathered near the Bullring.
Scores of police officers wearing riot gear were drafted into the city to police the events and restore calm as “sporadic” incidents of disorder broke out.
“The events are a very rare occurrence and normal city centre life resumed within a short space of time. I want to reassure all members of the community that the city centre is, and will continue to be, a safe place to live, shop and visit,” added Chief Insp Payne.
“It is important to be aware that West Midlands Police have no powers to ban or stop peaceful protests, however, if criminal acts or racially aggravated incidents are reported, then police will arrest anyone found to be responsible.”
Police blame yobs for Birmingham demonstrations violence
Aug 11 2009 by John Marsden,
Birmingham Post
Police believe that gangs of yobs jumped on the back of opposing demonstrations in Birmingham city centre to cause violence.
Among those arrested was a 21-strong group of “local football supporters”, held on suspicion that they were running around trying to provoke trouble.
All of those arrested were from greater Birmingham.
Police said factions of youths from Birmingham broke away from the two protest groups seemingly intent on disorder.
More than 30 men, aged 15 to 32, were arrested.
Of those, 27 have been released on bail pending further inquiries, three have been charged with offences and three released without charge.
A 16-year-old Birmingham youth was given a final warning for using words or behaviour likely to cause alarm, harassment or distress.
A 32-year-old Birmingham man was charged with using threatening, abusive, insulting words or behaviour with intent to cause or provoke violence. He was bailed to appear before magistrates next Monday.
A Birmingham man, aged 21, was charged with failing to comply with a football banning order and a 22-year-old man charged with being drunk and disorderly. He was bailed to appear before magistrates on Friday.
A police investigation is now under way, using similar tactics to those that brought to justice yobs who rioted on the streets of Lozells five years ago.
Detectives are now examining hundreds of hours of video footage, taken from police evidence crews on the ground who filmed the event and also from the city’s banks of hi-tech CCTV cameras of the chaotic scenes in a bid to identify the troublemakers.
Anyone convicted of violence could also face an injunction banning them from the city centre.
“Isolated incidents of disorder occurred when small groups of protestors broke away and actively sought to engage in criminal behaviour,” said Chief Insp Mark Payne, spokesman for West Midlands Police.
“A post operation investigation is under way into any criminality that took place.
“As part of this investigation, police will be studying photographs and video images, arresting and prosecuting anyone identified found to be engaged in acts of criminality.
“We will also look at applying for injunctions to prevent people travelling to the West Midlands who are intent on causing trouble.”
Between 70 and 90 protesters from a recently-formed group, known as either the English and Welsh Defence League or Casuals United, were met off coaches as they arrived in Birmingham.
After being contained in Victoria Square, their demonstration, described as being against Islamic fundamentalism, finished at 6.30pm and they left the city.
A counter protest by the group Unite Against Facism gathered near the Bullring.
Scores of police officers wearing riot gear were drafted into the city to police the events and restore calm as “sporadic” incidents of disorder broke out.
“The events are a very rare occurrence and normal city centre life resumed within a short space of time. I want to reassure all members of the community that the city centre is, and will continue to be, a safe place to live, shop and visit,” added Chief Insp Payne.
“It is important to be aware that West Midlands Police have no powers to ban or stop peaceful protests, however, if criminal acts or racially aggravated incidents are reported, then police will arrest anyone found to be responsible.”
blue and white army
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From what I've heard there's gonna be a backclash in Manchester in the upcoming weeks.
Lord Bracknell
On fire
Searchlight Magazine: A hot August?
A hot August?
In February 2001 senior British National Party officers and activists from the North West gathered in Oldham for a regional conference. The local organiser greeted them with the words “welcome to Oldham, the front line of the race war”.
The words were ominous. By May Oldham was burning after racist provocations and attacks drove a des-pairing Asian community onto the streets to defend itself. Two months later Bradford was ablaze. The scenario was the same: goad and abuse people in the streets, in their homes and shops, and sooner or later they will defend themselves.
Those arrested from the local Asian community were treated harshly and with some haste. Despite the firm evidence of involvement of the BNP and other nazis, racists and football thugs, justice was dealt out to them much later. The convictions upheld what we had been saying all along: a conspiracy involving disparate sections of the far right but led mostly by known BNP activists, who had helped plan and orchestrate the “race war”.
Despite continued pronouncements from Nick Griffin, the BNP leader, about a coming “civil war” (race war), the authorities have been looking in only one direction for terrorist threats. Until last year they failed to wake up to the ample evidence of far-right efforts to set this country ablaze this summer, unchanged by the BNP’s European success.
The BNP’s declared enemies, Muslim communities, are the target. And the BNP has had a growing influence on other far-right extremists who want a war in our streets against not only Muslims but anyone of Asian origin.
Many of those responding to the call of several different groups looking for a fight with Islam are unaware of who is jerking their strings. Unless the Home Office and the Association of Chief Police Officers (ACPO) intervene directly, there is a danger of serious violence spreading across the country this month and beyond.
The accompanying diagram focuses on some of the key groups and players to whom officers of the BNP are offering political and physical assistance. The BNP will not be able to wriggle off the hook, but action after the event is not good enough; prevention is needed.
Two outbreaks of violence in Luton earlier this year wrong-footed the police. The situation was not helped by the failure of the local council to ask for Home Office intervention. As a result the police have stepped up infiltration and disruption of some of the key groups.
The far right were looking for a catalyst for action and found it on 10 March as troops from the Royal Anglian Regiment, known as “The “Poachers”, were to be welcomed home from Afghanistan with a parade through the streets of Luton.
Eight members of a Muslim extremist group, already disowned by the local Muslim community and told to stay away from the Luton mosque, put on an appalling display of hatred towards the troops, calling them child killers and butchers.
It would have been no problem for the large number of police stewarding the local people who had turned out to greet the troops to arrest these fanatics for race hate offences. Instead two people ended up being assaulted by the angry crowd. Only one was one of the Islamists – a former local leader of the fanatical al-Muhajiroun group. The other victim was the former mayor of Luton, a Sikh who was there to greet the troops.
Paul Ray, a Dunstable-based Islamophobe who blogs under the name “Lionheart”, applied for local authority permission to stage a St George’s day parade but was turned down. However he had already attracted the attention of the BNP and a series of anti-Islam groups including the United British Alliance (UBA) and March for England (MFE), both of which had been visible outside the notorious Finsbury Park mosque when Abu Hamza, the terrorist-linked extremist preacher and his followers had seized control.
After Abu Hamza was expelled from the building, he would preach hate to his followers in the street every Friday, until he was imprisoned in May 2004, and the UBA and MFE would turn up to jeer. These encounters were overwhelmingly non-violent, except when the National Front (NF) turned up and were driven away by the UBA and MFE.
The UBA and MFE appeared to draw large numbers of young men including some black people and even a couple of Jewish football supporters from Surrey. Many were former soldiers and former football hooligans. They were frighten-ingly disciplined. Hundreds marched to the Regents Park mosque in that period.
While these largely overlapping groups have kept up an internet presence, it was not until the events of 10 March in Luton that they suddenly reappeared on the streets.
Denied the opportunity to heat things up in the name of St George, Ray was attracting interest from Chris Renton, a BNP activist from Weston-super-Mare, and several other BNP activists from around the country including Marlene Guest from Rotherham, whose main claim to fame is her statement in Sky TV’s BNP Wives programme that some good had come out of the Holocaust in the form of dentistry and plastic surgery.
Tom Holmes, the NF leader, called on his troops to turn out against Islam at the earliest opportunity, which came on Easter Monday, 13 April, when the police decided to stop the progress of an anti-Islam demonstration in Luton.
The police struggled with a large crowd and even the use of horses did not disperse them. They included familiar faces from the pro-nazi football crews from the time when the nazi terror group Combat 18 was active in the 1990s. Only when police reinforcements from London arrived were they able to disperse the demonstrators.
Separate from the MFE and UBA are the English and Welsh Defence League (EWDL) and Casuals United, run by the Welsh football hooligan Jeff Marsh. They all used to work together until recently when Ray turned against Dave Smeeton, leader of the MFE.
On 24 May the EWDL produced a bigger turnout with football hooligan support for a march that had been given the green light by Luton Council and the Bedfordshire Police. The result was a disgrace as Islamophobes, hooligans and fascists broke away from the local marchers and tried to storm the Muslim area of Luton. Shops and cars were damaged and 150 young Muslims prepared to fight to safeguard their homes and families. It was beginning ominously to look like the fascists were achieving their aim of a repeat of the Oldham and Bradford riots.
In the run-up to 24 May Luton mosque had been the target of an arson attack.
At this point these various groups decided to spread their message of hate to other parts of the country.
Now there were signs that police infiltration was succeeding. A call to march through central London evaporated after intelligence was passed to the Metropolitan Police anti-terrorist command SO15. Then a mysterious figure called Dave Shaw called for EWDL supporters to gather at a Wetherspoon’s pub near Trafalgar Square on 27 June to go on to an activity outside the East London mosque in Whitechapel. Only a few turned up to be greeted by a large police presence and no sign of Shaw.
The EWDL began to realise it was a police sting operation and most of them decided to go drinking in Convent Garden instead. The police told the rest they could go to Whitechapel but only with a massive escort. Reports suggest that only eight to ten made it and were filmed, photographed, shoved around and told to behave on the tube journey.
The following weekend, on 4 July, the EWDL picketed a “Life under the Shari’ah” Islamic road show in Wood Green, north London, organised by the Islamist extremist Anjem Choudary, to find the police clamping down on both them and the Islamists.
On the same day the EWDL staged a voluble protest in Birmingham’s Bull Ring “against muslim extremists that interrupted a British soldier’s funeral”. Again prompt police action prevented any real trouble.
One of the nazis present was Mike Heaton, “Wigan Mike”, the violent leader of the small but crazy British Freedom Fighters, not deterred by being charged with racial hatred after his arrest outside the BNP victory rally in Blackpool in June.
The Islamophobes intend to return to Birmingham for a “march against sharia law” on 8 August. The date was fixed for before the start of the Midlands football season. Luton Town plays its first match on that day but the demonstration starts at 6pm, giving fans plenty of time to get there.
Interest in going to Birmingham may be growing. One Luton Town supporter noted that the EWDL had recently changed its booking from a 25-seat to a 52-seat bus. One nazi noted how it was the eighth day of the eighth month which, for nazis, translates as the eighth letter of the alphabet: “HH” or “Heil Hitler”.
Three whites from the extreme left in Birmingham have tried to recruit and incite Muslim teenagers to respond by taking to the streets with racially abusive language and slogans. Perhaps two political extremes are seeking confrontation in the city.
Now Martyn Page, the Hitler-saluting treasurer of the BNP’s Broxtowe group, is organising forces intent on setting the country ablaze, offering to bring in some heavy lads from his area. The target is Luton and the date is 30 August.
A hot August?
In February 2001 senior British National Party officers and activists from the North West gathered in Oldham for a regional conference. The local organiser greeted them with the words “welcome to Oldham, the front line of the race war”.
The words were ominous. By May Oldham was burning after racist provocations and attacks drove a des-pairing Asian community onto the streets to defend itself. Two months later Bradford was ablaze. The scenario was the same: goad and abuse people in the streets, in their homes and shops, and sooner or later they will defend themselves.
Those arrested from the local Asian community were treated harshly and with some haste. Despite the firm evidence of involvement of the BNP and other nazis, racists and football thugs, justice was dealt out to them much later. The convictions upheld what we had been saying all along: a conspiracy involving disparate sections of the far right but led mostly by known BNP activists, who had helped plan and orchestrate the “race war”.
Despite continued pronouncements from Nick Griffin, the BNP leader, about a coming “civil war” (race war), the authorities have been looking in only one direction for terrorist threats. Until last year they failed to wake up to the ample evidence of far-right efforts to set this country ablaze this summer, unchanged by the BNP’s European success.
The BNP’s declared enemies, Muslim communities, are the target. And the BNP has had a growing influence on other far-right extremists who want a war in our streets against not only Muslims but anyone of Asian origin.
Many of those responding to the call of several different groups looking for a fight with Islam are unaware of who is jerking their strings. Unless the Home Office and the Association of Chief Police Officers (ACPO) intervene directly, there is a danger of serious violence spreading across the country this month and beyond.
The accompanying diagram focuses on some of the key groups and players to whom officers of the BNP are offering political and physical assistance. The BNP will not be able to wriggle off the hook, but action after the event is not good enough; prevention is needed.
Two outbreaks of violence in Luton earlier this year wrong-footed the police. The situation was not helped by the failure of the local council to ask for Home Office intervention. As a result the police have stepped up infiltration and disruption of some of the key groups.
The far right were looking for a catalyst for action and found it on 10 March as troops from the Royal Anglian Regiment, known as “The “Poachers”, were to be welcomed home from Afghanistan with a parade through the streets of Luton.
Eight members of a Muslim extremist group, already disowned by the local Muslim community and told to stay away from the Luton mosque, put on an appalling display of hatred towards the troops, calling them child killers and butchers.
It would have been no problem for the large number of police stewarding the local people who had turned out to greet the troops to arrest these fanatics for race hate offences. Instead two people ended up being assaulted by the angry crowd. Only one was one of the Islamists – a former local leader of the fanatical al-Muhajiroun group. The other victim was the former mayor of Luton, a Sikh who was there to greet the troops.
Paul Ray, a Dunstable-based Islamophobe who blogs under the name “Lionheart”, applied for local authority permission to stage a St George’s day parade but was turned down. However he had already attracted the attention of the BNP and a series of anti-Islam groups including the United British Alliance (UBA) and March for England (MFE), both of which had been visible outside the notorious Finsbury Park mosque when Abu Hamza, the terrorist-linked extremist preacher and his followers had seized control.
After Abu Hamza was expelled from the building, he would preach hate to his followers in the street every Friday, until he was imprisoned in May 2004, and the UBA and MFE would turn up to jeer. These encounters were overwhelmingly non-violent, except when the National Front (NF) turned up and were driven away by the UBA and MFE.
The UBA and MFE appeared to draw large numbers of young men including some black people and even a couple of Jewish football supporters from Surrey. Many were former soldiers and former football hooligans. They were frighten-ingly disciplined. Hundreds marched to the Regents Park mosque in that period.
While these largely overlapping groups have kept up an internet presence, it was not until the events of 10 March in Luton that they suddenly reappeared on the streets.
Denied the opportunity to heat things up in the name of St George, Ray was attracting interest from Chris Renton, a BNP activist from Weston-super-Mare, and several other BNP activists from around the country including Marlene Guest from Rotherham, whose main claim to fame is her statement in Sky TV’s BNP Wives programme that some good had come out of the Holocaust in the form of dentistry and plastic surgery.
Tom Holmes, the NF leader, called on his troops to turn out against Islam at the earliest opportunity, which came on Easter Monday, 13 April, when the police decided to stop the progress of an anti-Islam demonstration in Luton.
The police struggled with a large crowd and even the use of horses did not disperse them. They included familiar faces from the pro-nazi football crews from the time when the nazi terror group Combat 18 was active in the 1990s. Only when police reinforcements from London arrived were they able to disperse the demonstrators.
Separate from the MFE and UBA are the English and Welsh Defence League (EWDL) and Casuals United, run by the Welsh football hooligan Jeff Marsh. They all used to work together until recently when Ray turned against Dave Smeeton, leader of the MFE.
On 24 May the EWDL produced a bigger turnout with football hooligan support for a march that had been given the green light by Luton Council and the Bedfordshire Police. The result was a disgrace as Islamophobes, hooligans and fascists broke away from the local marchers and tried to storm the Muslim area of Luton. Shops and cars were damaged and 150 young Muslims prepared to fight to safeguard their homes and families. It was beginning ominously to look like the fascists were achieving their aim of a repeat of the Oldham and Bradford riots.
In the run-up to 24 May Luton mosque had been the target of an arson attack.
At this point these various groups decided to spread their message of hate to other parts of the country.
Now there were signs that police infiltration was succeeding. A call to march through central London evaporated after intelligence was passed to the Metropolitan Police anti-terrorist command SO15. Then a mysterious figure called Dave Shaw called for EWDL supporters to gather at a Wetherspoon’s pub near Trafalgar Square on 27 June to go on to an activity outside the East London mosque in Whitechapel. Only a few turned up to be greeted by a large police presence and no sign of Shaw.
The EWDL began to realise it was a police sting operation and most of them decided to go drinking in Convent Garden instead. The police told the rest they could go to Whitechapel but only with a massive escort. Reports suggest that only eight to ten made it and were filmed, photographed, shoved around and told to behave on the tube journey.
The following weekend, on 4 July, the EWDL picketed a “Life under the Shari’ah” Islamic road show in Wood Green, north London, organised by the Islamist extremist Anjem Choudary, to find the police clamping down on both them and the Islamists.
On the same day the EWDL staged a voluble protest in Birmingham’s Bull Ring “against muslim extremists that interrupted a British soldier’s funeral”. Again prompt police action prevented any real trouble.
One of the nazis present was Mike Heaton, “Wigan Mike”, the violent leader of the small but crazy British Freedom Fighters, not deterred by being charged with racial hatred after his arrest outside the BNP victory rally in Blackpool in June.
The Islamophobes intend to return to Birmingham for a “march against sharia law” on 8 August. The date was fixed for before the start of the Midlands football season. Luton Town plays its first match on that day but the demonstration starts at 6pm, giving fans plenty of time to get there.
Interest in going to Birmingham may be growing. One Luton Town supporter noted that the EWDL had recently changed its booking from a 25-seat to a 52-seat bus. One nazi noted how it was the eighth day of the eighth month which, for nazis, translates as the eighth letter of the alphabet: “HH” or “Heil Hitler”.
Three whites from the extreme left in Birmingham have tried to recruit and incite Muslim teenagers to respond by taking to the streets with racially abusive language and slogans. Perhaps two political extremes are seeking confrontation in the city.
Now Martyn Page, the Hitler-saluting treasurer of the BNP’s Broxtowe group, is organising forces intent on setting the country ablaze, offering to bring in some heavy lads from his area. The target is Luton and the date is 30 August.
Barrel of Fun
Abort, retry, fail
Gee. Makes you proud. These wholesome 'lads' will put the 'Great' back into Great Britain, like.
Paxton Dazo
Up The Spurs.
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Barrel of Fun
Abort, retry, fail
Isn't that how Brummies speak? I knew half a dozen or so from Uni and my gap year and they all seemed to say that.
How exactly are they restoring our proud heritage?
How exactly are they restoring our proud heritage?
Arthur
Well-known member
How were Luton fans supposed to get from Kingston Upon Thames to Birmingham in an hour??
Lord Bracknell
On fire
Maybe ... just maybe ... they didn't go to the match?
Although, if The Times is to believed, it was all a bit of a shambles:-
One member of the League’s online forum, registered as Adder, wrote: “I support you guys but yesterday was a shambles and you made us English look like an embarrassment. What exactly happened to supposed 'In the high hundreds' who were supposed to turn up? I saw the video and it seemed like there was barely 70 of you.
“Holding it such a high profile public place, ridiculous idea [sic]. That's just asking for normal civilians minding their own business to get attacked.”
Neil Edy, another member of the website, said: “I went to the march ... the turn out to the event wasnt good enuf only a few of us were there supporting the cause.”
Another sympathiser, calling himself Bill, said that he had not been able to find the others: “We were in the City most the afternoon, but then left as we had no one to contact and meet with, and we werent the only ones.”
Far-right group, the English Defence League, in disarray after Birmingham fracas - Times Online
