[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[Thunder Bolt]

I wish more journalists were like Victoria Derbyshir.

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

I wish more journalists were like Victoria Derbyshir.

The Tories are lying, then they’re lying about lying, and then probably lying about lying about lying.

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

I wish more journalists were like Victoria Derbyshir.

Mrs DiS and I were talking about this stuff last night, and considered that someone ought just to call it all out at some point - this is rubbish, this is fiction. Then, lo and behold, Victoria Derbyshire does exactly that.

more of this sort of thing….

 

[Guinness Boy]

 

[nicko31]

The Party of Business.

That should really tell you everything you need to know in terms of their interests, and it ain't us, our education, our wellbeing, our .... etc.

But they're not the party of business.

They're the party of businesses with Tory party interests.

 

[nicko31]

A rare visitor to such threads. Just seen the Farage dancing . So he’s back in the mainstream fold then.

That seals a Tory party for years to come that’ve morphed into the Sarah Palin / Trump Party of the UK. The coup d’etat has taken place in stages. The Rudd’s etc were ousted, then it will be Sunak and Hunt booted out, leaving total control to a rabid cabal. Who’ll eventually deny climate change etc.

In first past the post, 25% of polling according to Betfair odds equates to a predicted 150 Tory MP’s losing their seats, leaving 200.

But in 1997 Major got 31% of the vote and just 165 seats.

I’m wondering if 150 seats is about right?

Unique times imho. Labour and Tory parties in the Commons have each always contained a broad cross section of views. The Tory party until now contained swathes of pro Europeans, pro environmentalists, believers in a mixed economy …. they’re all being squeezed out.

Hopefully a party led by Braverman, Farage etc will never be popular at the polls. It’s up to Starmer to not waste or screw up at no 10. In tangible actions he has to be far more than just Not Braverman’s Tories.

Well summarised, its been a gradual process. Whilst I hate Farage the guy is a very strong communicator and could well become leader assuming they lose the election. They will shift to the right, the moderates are in decline.

Starmer clearly sees the centre ground is well and truly vacated and sees the opportunity.

 

[Javeaseagull]

Because right wing blue rinsers in 632 constituencies were always going to vote for a right wing candidate promising tax cuts. And she was seen as loyal to Boris. I said at the time she’d crush Sunak.

Sunak was candid that there was no room for tax cuts after the pandemic, something credit rating agencies and the markets agreed with.

The thick as shit constituencies went with the out of her depth idiot.

I thought it was more to do with white female versus brown male. No contest.

 

[rogersix]

heckler is bit weird though, having 3 cameras, stewards on standby to pounce on a bearly audible comment. seems rather prepared.

he threw himself out?

 

[A1X]

The most worrying aspect of the heckler seems to have been missed by most of the media. Namely why the police were involved. The man in question broke no laws that I’m aware of. The event will have private security to enforce their own rules within the conference, but that doesn’t make it a police matter.

Why is my tax money being used to silence dissent of the government?

 

[rogersix]

Between Braverman’s disgusting speech and Partygate on C4 this evening anyone voting Tory at the next election needs to take a good look at themselves. Awful people

there are millions of them, in one of the best educated parts of the world, millions of them

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

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They Daily Mail are this nations bitterest enemy. Papers like this have done incalculable harm to our social fabric, seemingly only to advance the business interests of it's proprietor

 

[Machiavelli]

Well, I disagree. There's no point under-estimating the Tory Party. They're the most successful and long-standing political party in the world. What this is is a tired government, devoid of a policy agenda, living through multiple crises (some of which it has created, others that it has exacerbated, others still that are the result of external factors), that is desperate to do what it's done for the past 300+ years, which is to hold on to power.
A sobering election defeat will prompt reflection and re-grouping and, before you know it, they'll have the hex over the small enough section of the electorate and, just like that, they'll be back doing what they're born to do.

 

[rogersix]

A rare visitor to such threads. Just seen the Farage dancing . So he’s back in the mainstream fold then.

That seals a Tory party for years to come that’ve morphed into the Sarah Palin / Trump Party of the UK. The coup d’etat has taken place in stages. The Rudd’s etc were ousted, then it will be Sunak and Hunt booted out, leaving total control to a rabid cabal. Who’ll eventually deny climate change etc.

In first past the post, 25% of polling according to Betfair odds equates to a predicted 150 Tory MP’s losing their seats, leaving 200.

But in 1997 Major got 31% of the vote and just 165 seats.

I’m wondering if 150 seats is about right?

Unique times imho. Labour and Tory parties in the Commons have each always contained a broad cross section of views. The Tory party until now contained swathes of pro Europeans, pro environmentalists, believers in a mixed economy …. they’re all being squeezed out.

Hopefully a party led by Braverman, Farage etc will never be popular at the polls. It’s up to Starmer to not waste or screw up at no 10. In tangible actions he has to be far more than just Not Braverman’s Tories.

starmer can't do it on his own, the people are going to have to do something eventually, let's hope it's not too late

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

there are millions of them, in one of the best educated parts of the world, millions of them

Well there are, but look at the diet of b******* they are being fed. Like gun toting American who will vote for their children to have 100x more risk when at school than a comparable country, or a hyperpatriotic Russian, convinced of their nations divine right to murder, rape and subjugate what they want from eastern Europe, there is one common truth we can discern.

Brainwashing works.

It works fantastically well. Sure it's a painstaking process. It takes years and years of dripfeeding, from multiple outlets, but you can get millions of people to genuinely deny demonstrable truths

 

[Thunder Bolt]

The most worrying aspect of the heckler seems to have been missed by most of the media. Namely why the police were involved. The man in question broke no laws that I’m aware of. The event will have private security to enforce their own rules within the conference, but that doesn’t make it a police matter.

Why is my tax money being used to silence dissent of the government?

Some people are asking Andy Burnham why GM police were involved.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Well there are, but look at the diet of b******* they are being fed. Like gun toting American who will vote for their children to have 100x more risk when at school than a comparable country, or a hyperpatriotic Russian, convinced of their nations divine right to murder, rape and subjugate what they want from eastern Europe, there is one common truth we can discern.

Brainwashing works.

It works fantastically well. Sure it's a painstaking process. It takes years and years of dripfeeding, from multiple outlets, but you can get millions of people to genuinely deny demonstrable truths

I can’t like this but I agree with your analysis. It is brainwashing, propaganda, and evil.

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

Well, I disagree. There's no point under-estimating the Tory Party. They're the most successful and long-standing political party in the world. What this is is a tired government, devoid of a policy agenda, living through multiple crises (some of which it has created, others that it has exacerbated, others still that are the result of external factors), that is desperate to do what it's done for the past 300+ years, which is to hold on to power.
A sobering election defeat will prompt reflection and re-grouping and, before you know it, they'll have the hex over the small enough section of the electorate and, just like that, they'll be back doing what they're born to do.

The most likely scenario is that they act like labour did out of power.

They lose badly and spend a bit of time regrouping. They soon conclude that their loss was abandoning the "centre ground" and so they lurch even further to the right. They lose again, this time worse. Now a decade out of power, they do some soul searching and low and behold realise that they need to stop just appealing to a niche following and need to broaden their appeal.

Between 10 and 15 years out of power is my guess, but there may be some sort of coalition in there as well.

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

I saw Partygate. I was appalled but not surprised.

In a workplace, culture matters. And that is driven from the top.

 

[nicko31]

They Daily Mail are this nations bitterest enemy. Papers like this have done incalculable harm to our social fabric, seemingly only to advance the business interests of it's proprietor

These non-doms shouldn't be allowed anywhere near press ownership here, let alone x-media ownership.

 

[A1X]

Some people are asking Andy Burnham why GM police were involved.

Good.

Don't get me wrong, the police should definitely be involved in enforcing wider security (after all the Government is still in residence) and keeping the perimeter safe, while dealing with any actual law-breaking within (e.g. someone trying to attack someone). But heckling a politician is not a crime, therefore the police should not be involved in that.

It's akin to a match at the Amex. The police definitely should be heavily involved in securing the place up to the turnstiles, but once inside their role is much reduced. I wouldn't expect to be escorted out by police for having a bottle with a top on in the stands, for example.