[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[dazzer6666]

there's literally police on the door of number 10 24 hours a day

I'm confused as to how they missed a party going on

There's a constant stream of people in and out.....the police outside don't check what goes on inside. People would have just been recorded as going to a 'meeting'

The goons that organised it are the ones that need to walk

 

[Fat Boy Fat]

There's a constant stream of people in and out.....the police outside don't check what goes on inside. People would have just been recorded as going to a 'meeting'

The goons that organised it are the ones that need to walk

Yep, all this deflection, blaming the police, etc., is just white noise to attempt to get the Tory Party out of a massive hole...

 

[beorhthelm]

There's a constant stream of people in and out.....the police outside don't check what goes on inside. People would have just been recorded as going to a 'meeting'

The goons that organised it are the ones that need to walk

i dont know why so many are having a cognative block here, seem to imagine a stream of guest turning up in fineries with presents a party hats. the accusation is a staff party, drinks and nibbles after 5pm type thing.

the police established a long time ago they wouldnt chase up every claim of a breach of restrictions. if we want to force the issue on Downing street, they'll be obliged to follow up every other breach wouldnt they? let leave them out of it and leave it as the political embarrassment it is, rather than chase the legal (possibly not technically) breach of restrictions.

 

[Pevenseagull]

There's a constant stream of people in and out.....the police outside don't check what goes on inside. People would have just been recorded as going to a 'meeting'

The goons that organised it are the ones that need to walk

Munira Mirza is director of the Number 10 Policy unit, can't work out if her husband, Douglas 'Dougie' Smith is still involved at number 10 but he was there when Cummings went.

As a couple they have as bit of a history in arranging 'parties'.

 

[sparkie]

Lol.

Johnson is totally incompetent if he doesn't know whether any of the 6+ parties took place.

Rudderless leadership.

 

[A1X]

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[BLOCK F]

Yep, all this deflection, blaming the police, etc., is just white noise to attempt to get the Tory Party out of a massive hole...

That’s as maybe, but I reckon a lot of Tory politicians and voters would love to see the back of Johnson ASAP.
I include myself in that number.

 

[DJ NOBO]

Anyone else seen the Christmas party video that has been leaked?

Could be the last straw for BJ!

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Na. They’ll ride it out with the usual mix of evading the point, outright dishonesty and playing for time.
That’s politicians for you.

 

[Mellotron]

Find all the tributes to Stratton from the likes of Peston really nauseating.

She's crying not because she felt she had done anything wrong, but because she got caught.

 

[Justice]

I agree it’s far worse.

People will simply ignore guidance now.

I don’t think people do ignore guidance as it’s often portrayed in these types of threads. Of course you get the anti this anti that mob although on the whole people don’t want covid.

 

[Seagull58]

That's very unfair on Major, it wasn't his cash for questions, it was Hamilton and Smith who were caught up in the scandal. Major forced Hamilton to resign his ministerial position and put pressure on both Smith and Hamilton to stand down in the 1997 election (Smith did, Hamilton refused and got soundly trounced by Martin Bell).

Major had no part in the brouhaha though and tried to hold a strict moral line. That's very different from the current situation where Johnson is right at the heart of several dodgy financial deals (note that we still don't know who paid for his Mustique holiday or his flat redecoration)

I meant Major's government, not Major himself, although he did preside over a government that was noted for sleaze and led to Blair's landslide.

 

[pb21]

Johnson is right at the heart of several dodgy financial deals... we still don't know who paid for his... flat redecoration)

Very prescient, he might be caught out for lying, again...

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...087461a36a25c9#block-61b1f9178f087461a36a25c9

 

[drew]

There's a constant stream of people in and out.....the police outside don't check what goes on inside. People would have just been recorded as going to a 'meeting'

The goons that organised it are the ones that need to walk

I'm going to hazard a guess that the security of the residence of the prime minister isn't the sole responsibility of one bobby standing outside!!

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Na. They’ll ride it out with the usual mix of evading the point, outright dishonesty and playing for time.
That’s politicians for you.

It isn't all politicians. Let's not derail the thread with pleas for anarchy, and wistful yearnings for the old ways of running of the country by locally appointed chieftans, victorious from the smiting of the next village.

 

[The Clamp]

Essentially now the police are complicit in the act and the cover up. They are no longer independent but doing the bidding of a rogue Prime Minister.
If this were any other country we’d be calling it a Police State. And we’d be right to do so.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I meant Major's government, not Major himself, although he did preside over a government that was noted for sleaze and led to Blair's landslide.

I'll also stick up for major here. He did try to smite the 'b'stards' (Deadwood, and reactionary chums). His weakness was when his 'back to basics' campaign (promoting values such as "neighbourliness, decency, courtesy") came back to haunt him when he found he'd lost his grip on the venal goons on his own back benches. They seemed to be queuing up to stand by the gates of ther country piles, announcing their desire to spend more time with the families who stood with them, all rictus grins and inwardly fuming about the back of the 16 year old intern the MP had been caught hanging out of by an investigative journalist.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Far more important things going on in the world imho than getting into a frenzy over a party but if you're really concerned here's a little tune to help you on your way

https://youtu.be/eBShN8qT4lk

Regards
DF

 

[Lever]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6DrciodCfQ

 

[A1X]

That’s as maybe, but I reckon a lot of Tory politicians and voters would love to see the back of Johnson ASAP.
I include myself in that number.

The big problem the Tories have is while there are a lot of people in more traditional Tory areas and with traditional Tory mindsets (no idea whether you are in this camp or not, more a broad observation) who aren't keen on him and want him out, but then you have the "new" Tories in the Red Wall who love him and almost certainly wouldn't see any value in swapping him out for (e.g.) Michael Gove.

Finding someone who can unite these two camps will prove to be a struggle. Sunak is probably the only one I can think of who might be able to do it.

 

[DJ NOBO]

It isn't all politicians. Let's not derail the thread with pleas for anarchy, and wistful yearnings for the old ways of running of the country by locally appointed chieftans, victorious from the smiting of the next village.

Fair enough, I generalised.
I’m not making a call for anarchy and a world of no politicians. Politicians can, and do, do a lot of good.
But it increasingly feels like there’s an established way politicians handle justified scrutiny - namely doing everything they can to avoid giving the truth in its entirety. Johnson is of course an expert in this.
I would like to see more politicians engage their moral compass and be more straight forward.
That that sounds childishly naive is a sad state of affairs in itself.