[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[TomandJerry]

They are going for it

Downing Street will tomorrow set out sweeping plans to override the power of Europe’s human rights court just days after a judge in Strasbourg blocked the deportation of asylum seekers from Britain to Rwanda.

The abolition of the Human Rights Act (HRA), including reducing the influence of the European court of human rights (ECHR), will be introduced before parliament in what the government described as a restatement of Britain’s sovereignty.

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[Stat Brother]

I hope some people who supported Brexit have now wised up to the fact that leaving the EU was simply a means to an end to the extreme fringe that had overtaken the Conservative party.

An extreme fringe that views historic big beasts of the party like Ken Clarke, John Major, Chris Patton etc as left wing.

I've always been completely ambivalent to idea of an EU in the modern age and decided that morning how to vote.

However, it didn't take much digging to find out what was really planned. It definitely didn't involve manufacturing, farming or fishing.

I voted to remain not so much to stay in the EU but to stop those with a further agenda to complete a mythical Thatcherite plan that she never had in the first place. This was less to do with the EU but more to do with turning the UK into a tax haven for foreign businesses, with a higher but "controlled" immigration level with lesser rights.

The Conservative party as we know it and supporters who have known it has long gone. It's a cult.

It was even easier and even more parochial, for me.

See who here wanted to leave.
If the leave agenda is speaking to them - it clearly isn't speaking to me.


Were they not so selfish The Tories would be in the process of creating the tail wagging the dog.
With right wing extremists thinking they finally have found their voice.

The problem for them, and all of us, is this current Conservative government really doesn't care about anybody, takes voters for granted and revels in 'greed is good - for me, not the likes of you'.


They will be back and history suggests I'll see out my days under a Tory government, the only hope is they learn from this one and not double down.

 

[nicko31]

They are going for it

Downing Street will tomorrow set out sweeping plans to override the power of Europe’s human rights court just days after a judge in Strasbourg blocked the deportation of asylum seekers from Britain to Rwanda.

The abolition of the Human Rights Act (HRA), including reducing the influence of the European court of human rights (ECHR), will be introduced before parliament in what the government described as a restatement of Britain’s sovereignty.

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Creating domestic legislation to override international treaties we are signed up to, seems to be a trend to with this lawless regime

 

[Hugo Rune]

They are going for it

Downing Street will tomorrow set out sweeping plans to override the power of Europe’s human rights court just days after a judge in Strasbourg blocked the deportation of asylum seekers from Britain to Rwanda.

The abolition of the Human Rights Act (HRA), including reducing the influence of the European court of human rights (ECHR), will be introduced before parliament in what the government described as a restatement of Britain’s sovereignty.

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As usual, ‘far left’ lawyers are against the government. No surprise in an industry predominantly full of socialist commie europhiles. I thought we left the bloody EU, why are their courts still trying to tell poor Priti what to do? Churchill will be spinning in his grave!


“The government's proposals, unveiled in December, have been criticised by lawyers as confusing and arguably unnecessary, because British courts can already ignore rulings from Strasbourg.
Shadow attorney general Emily Thornberry questioned whether the move would actually change anything, or rather add "more and more layers of bureaucracy on the application of the Human Rights Act", so it will merely "gum up the system".
She said: "They're just trying to think of anything that they can take on at the moment in order to distract us all from what's really happening, which is their inability to govern - they're trying to pick yet another fight," she told the BBC.
Law Society president I Stephanie Boyce, who represents solicitors, said the package was on a collision course with the rest of the law.
"The bill will create an acceptable class of human-rights abuses in the United Kingdom," she said.”

 

[Machiavelli]

Johnson's government is trying to convince us that any pay rise above 3% for public sector workers is "inflationary" while a 10% increase for pensioners somehow isn't.

The only difference is that one group largely votes for them and the other group largely doesn't.

As good as the rest of your post is, can I quibble with this part please? A further difference is that one of those groups does the work for the ungrateful other lot.

 

[Machiavelli]

Just been wondering where all the good, decent Tories have gone. Those that aren't Cult of Johnson. They are so weak. So spineless.

Hopefully a disaster for Johnson at the Thursday elections will give them the strength they need to change the 1922 rules and Get Rid.

There are plenty of Tories spitting blood about this government, many of which have been in multiple prior Cabinets. There are even (at least) two mods on here that identify as Tories, and one of them at the very least has provided some of the most acute critiques of the bankruptcy of this regime.

 

[vegster]

The Daily Diatribe today is pulling no punches, its all Starmer's fault again....just when you think they can't get any more ridiculous...they manage to.

 

[TomandJerry]

Inflation today confirmed at 9%...

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[Simster]

I’m one of them. I was a paid up member of the party before Johnson became leader. I can’t, in all good conscious, vote for the party though whilst he is still in charge.

I admire people like you to be honest, because you have recognised it has gone way beyond simple party politics. It's all very well people like me who are not instinctive Tory voters complaining about the situation, because we can be written off as people who'd never vote Tory anyway. But if there were more people like you then perhaps we wouldn't be in this mess.

These people are immoral, corrupt, incompetent, selfish and repugnant. Only the thick and selfish are supporting them now.

 

[beorhthelm]

As usual, ‘far left’ lawyers are against the government. No surprise in an industry predominantly full of socialist commie europhiles. I thought we left the bloody EU, why are their courts still trying to tell poor Priti what to do? Churchill will be spinning in his grave!


“The government's proposals, unveiled in December, have been criticised by lawyers as confusing and arguably unnecessary, because British courts can already ignore rulings from Strasbourg.
Shadow attorney general Emily Thornberry questioned whether the move would actually change anything, or rather add "more and more layers of bureaucracy on the application of the Human Rights Act", so it will merely "gum up the system".
She said: "They're just trying to think of anything that they can take on at the moment in order to distract us all from what's really happening, which is their inability to govern - they're trying to pick yet another fight," she told the BBC.
Law Society president I Stephanie Boyce, who represents solicitors, said the package was on a collision course with the rest of the law.
"The bill will create an acceptable class of human-rights abuses in the United Kingdom," she said.”

seems nothing will materially change? as far as i read the bill will roll up previous legislation and change how and when ECHR apply. there's plenty of debate in parliament yet to come, no doubt focus in news will be about a couple of objectionable clauses that few outside law really understand.

 

[Hugo Rune]

Tory meltdown incoming...

These people are immoral, corrupt, incompetent, selfish and repugnant. Only the thick and selfish are supporting them now.

Not including the 148 brave Tories who tried to get rid of this regime. After the by-elections tomorrow, I suspect that number would be over 200 would there be another vote. The government will struggle to get anything controversial through parliament including the ‘pissing on Churchill’s grave’ overruling of the ECHR rulings.

 

[The Clamp]

They are going for it

Downing Street will tomorrow set out sweeping plans to override the power of Europe’s human rights court just days after a judge in Strasbourg blocked the deportation of asylum seekers from Britain to Rwanda.

The abolition of the Human Rights Act (HRA), including reducing the influence of the European court of human rights (ECHR), will be introduced before parliament in what the government described as a restatement of Britain’s sovereignty.

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It’s appalling that they are even trying it but I suspect they are going to tie themselves up in legal knots for years if they go ahead. There are lawyers lining up to be the ones that topple Johnson. As Johnson, Raab and Patel have been reminded many times, it’s one thing to lie to U.K. , another to try and break international law or tear up signed treaties.
They’ll get their pants pulled down over this. Again.

Acting like a rogue nation will not stand.

 

[nicko31]

Inflation today confirmed at 9%...

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It would be lower if we hadn't imposed economic trade sanctions on ourselves and weakened our currency.

We have to ask ourselves how Diesel was £1.20 litre in 2008 with a 20% higher oil price than today

#torymess

 

[Bodian]

They are going for it

Downing Street will tomorrow set out sweeping plans to override the power of Europe’s human rights court just days after a judge in Strasbourg blocked the deportation of asylum seekers from Britain to Rwanda.

The abolition of the Human Rights Act (HRA), including reducing the influence of the European court of human rights (ECHR), will be introduced before parliament in what the government described as a restatement of Britain’s sovereignty.

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Gosh - it's almost as though Patel went through the whole aborted Rwanda flight saga, just to set the tone for what they had already planned and wanted to introduce. Surely not?!

 

[beorhthelm]

Gosh - it's almost as though Patel went through the whole aborted Rwanda flight saga, just to set the tone for what they had already planned and wanted to introduce. Surely not?!

i thought it was a distraction from partygate.

 

[nicko31]

Gosh - it's almost as though Patel went through the whole aborted Rwanda flight saga, just to set the tone for what they had already planned and wanted to introduce. Surely not?!

The ECHR didn't need to get involved but the government engineered the situation create a wedge issue. Its complex, worth following David Allen Green on this

Even if domestic legislation is successful it won't make any different to channel crossings. Better off working closer with the French but that would risk finding a solution, they don't want that...

 

[Brian Fantana]

I admire people like you to be honest, because you have recognised it has gone way beyond simple party politics. It's all very well people like me who are not instinctive Tory voters complaining about the situation, because we can be written off as people who'd never vote Tory anyway. But if there were more people like you then perhaps we wouldn't be in this mess.

These people are immoral, corrupt, incompetent, selfish and repugnant. Only the thick and selfish are supporting them now.

I think the number of people like me are growing, if recent by-elections and my own anecdotal experiences are anything to go by. If I had to put myself on the political spectrum somewhere, it would probably be very, very marginally right of centre, i.e. the moderate wing of the Tory party which has sadly had a steamroller driven through it by Bojo and his cronies. If there was a general election tomorrow, I’d most likely to be putting a tick in the LD box.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

i thought it was a distraction from partygate.

It was a distraction amongst many other distractions. Meanwhile, this country is being asset stripped.

 

[Dick Swiveller]

I think the number of people like me are growing, if recent by-elections and my own anecdotal experiences are anything to go by. If I had to put myself on the political spectrum somewhere, it would probably be very, very marginally right of centre, i.e. the moderate wing of the Tory party which has sadly had a steamroller driven through it by Bojo and his cronies. If there was a general election tomorrow, I’d most likely to be putting a tick in the LD box.

Yep. I would be perfectly happy with a "normal" Tory government even though I am not a Tory voter. Something central - be it New Labour or non rabid Tories would do me. I get the general ethos of the main parties - I just think all of them are flawed (Mostly by human greed). Labour had their run to the left which failed and seems to be hampering Labour getting a bit back to the centre. But this lurch to the right is very worrying. I've said before that every Government in my lifetime seemed to be doing what they thought was best for the country, whether I agreed with them or not. I cannot say that for this shower.

 

[Brian Fantana]

Yep. I would be perfectly happy with a "normal" Tory government even though I am not a Tory voter. Something central - be it New Labour or non rabid Tories would do me. I get the general ethos of the main parties - I just think all of them are flawed (Mostly by human greed). Labour had their run to the left which failed and seems to be hampering Labour getting a bit back to the centre. But this lurch to the right is very worrying. I've said before that every Government in my lifetime seemed to be doing what they thought was best for the country, whether I agreed with them or not. I cannot say that for this shower.

This.

I know it is something of a cliche, but I do think that the majority of people in this country are not that far from the centre of the political spectrum. Generally motivated by wanting a fair shot at a successful and prosperous life for themselves, but with enough of a safety net in place that no one gets totally left behind.

I may be wrong on that, but that’s how I’ve always seen it.