[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[aolstudios]

We had a decent opposition leader in Jeremy Corbyn but the likes of HWT decided he was too left wing and radical and got rid of him. "Champagne socialists" are alive and well!

Then the Labour Party decided it would be a great idea to replace him with someone who is so bland and ineffectual and still hasn't really published any clear policies of his own. "About as exciting as yesterday's rice pudding" as my dear old dad would say.

I'm a lifelong Labour voter, on the left of the party & grew up on a council estate. So neither of your clichés apply to me.
I couldn't vote for magic Grandpa because he is not only tragically thick but also an obsessive, career long racist & enabled his mini mes to poison the party.
Oh, & before you accuse me of reading the wrong newspapers or somesuch, my opinion is from personal experience & other trusted friends in & around the party
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[Stato]

We had a decent opposition leader in Jeremy Corbyn but the likes of HWT decided he was too left wing and radical and got rid of him. "Champagne socialists" are alive and well!

Then the Labour Party decided it would be a great idea to replace him with someone who is so bland and ineffectual and still hasn't really published any clear policies of his own. "About as exciting as yesterday's rice pudding" as my dear old dad would say.

I would be closer to Corbyn than to Starmer in most of my political views, but having someone in charge of the party that agrees with our views doesn't make him a decent opposition leader.

Lets face it, Corbyn wasn't a leader. He may be a very decent man and a decent thinker, but he had no idea about how to hold the government to account, nor to get himself elected in their stead. He suffered the worst election result that Labour has seen since 1983, when Michael Foot, another very good political thinker and, totally honorable and decent man, showed the same total lack of ability to lead his party or convince the electorate that he had the solutions that they needed.

I am not of the view that this country will never elect a government with a radical left wing agenda. It did it in 1945. However, Attlee rode the wave of postwar thirst for change. Without that, it won't happen again without a leader with the charismatic appeal to cut through media opposition and the politcal nous to organise on the ground. Jeremy Corbyn had neither and, in the absence of someone who has, the best Labour can hope for is a decent, average kind of person who doesn't scare floating voters too much. Labels like 'champagne socialist' help none of us who would like to see the election of just about anybody who would care more for the electorate than for feathering their own nest.

 

[Gwylan]

I am not of the view that this country will never elect a government with a radical left wing agenda. It did it in 1945. However, Attlee rode the wave of postwar thirst for change. Without that, it won't happen again without a leader with the charismatic appeal to cut through media opposition and the politcal nous to organise on the ground.

It should be pointed out that Attlee was the most uncharismatic of leaders. As the joke had it: an empty taxi pulled up in Downing St and Attlee got out. But he had some heavy hitters in his cabinet: Bevan, Bevin, Dalton, Cripps, Wilkinson, Morrison and, later on, Wilson. A party leader can get away with things if he or she has a lot of heavyweights around him - I'm not sure Starmer has that.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

It should be pointed out that Attlee was the most uncharismatic of leaders. As the joke had it: an empty taxi pulled up in Downing St and Attlee got out. But he had some heavy hitters in his cabinet: Bevan, Bevin, Dalton, Cripps, Wilkinson, Morrison and, later on, Wilson. A party leader can get away with things if he or she has a lot of heavyweights around him - I'm not sure Starmer has that.

Yvette Cooper, Wes Streeting, David Lammy, Chris Bryant are all good MPs.

Starmer was very careful not to get into an argument with Johnson. Johnson had prepared answers he could reel off and Starmer avoided the obvious ones. He isn’t going to further any culture war. He’s giving Johnson enough rope to hang himself as more and more people see him for what he really is. Clever but morally bankrupt.

 

[Stumpy Tim]

Yvette Cooper, Wes Streeting, David Lammy, Chris Bryant are all good MPs.

I would add Peter Kyle and Lisa Nandy to that list... and a lot of people like Angela Rayner too.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I would add Peter Kyle and Lisa Nandy to that list... and a lot of people like Angela Rayner too.

I meant to add Angela Rayner whilst I was tapping it out. Thanks.
Yes Peter Kyle is making a name for himself.

 

[The Fits]

I thought Cooper’s speech in reply to Patel’s was incredible this afternoon.
Has there been a more spiteful and inarticulate politician than Patel btw?

 

[The Clamp]

I thought Cooper’s speech in reply to Patel’s was incredible this afternoon.
Has there been a more spiteful and inarticulate politician than Patel btw?

It was superb.

Patel had her head down, no eye contact, reading out her statement verbatim and even managing to stumble and fumble over reading it out .

Cooper had her head up, made eye contact, and slammed home her points. How it should be done.


https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...atel-of-shambles-over-cancelled-rwanda-flight

 

[TomandJerry]

Two asylum seekers who were expected to board the flight have told an Iranian human rights lawyer they were treated like criminals and described one man being taken to the plane in a wheelchair after passing out.

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[Marty McFly]

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[TomandJerry]

Boris Johnson's ethics adviser Lord Geidt has resigned after saying there was a "legitimate question" over whether the PM had broken ministerial rules over Partygate.

He said he was leaving the role, which he took up in April last year, "with regret", but it was the "right thing" to do.

Lord Geidt previously served as the Queen's private secretary.

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[Pevenseagull]

Anyone lacking in ethics enough to take up the role of advising on ethics?

 

[Stato]

It should be pointed out that Attlee was the most uncharismatic of leaders. As the joke had it: an empty taxi pulled up in Downing St and Attlee got out.

True and he was up against the absolute opposite in Churchill, who had just led the country to victory in WWII. It was the special circumstances of that election and the country's shared hope for something better that decided that election. In the founding of the NHS and the Welfare State, it got it.

 

[clapham_gull]

Boris Johnson's ethics adviser Lord Geidt has resigned after saying there was a "legitimate question" over whether the PM had broken ministerial rules over Partygate.

He said he was leaving the role, which he took up in April last year, "with regret", but it was the "right thing" to do.

Lord Geidt previously served as the Queen's private secretary.

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Clearly left wing.

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[A1X]

No ethics? Geidt away.

 

[rogersix]

Sorry, what does that even mean?

cognitive dissonance

 

[The Clamp]

Anyone lacking in ethics enough to take up the role of advising on ethics?

An embarrassment of choices, unfortunately.

 

[Is it PotG?]

cognitive dissonance

One hell of a band they were, 'til the bassist left.

 

[vegster]

A quote from our racist Home Secretary:

"We will not stand idly by and let organised crime gangs, who are despicable in their nature and their conduct, evil people, treat human beings as cargo."

Of course not. That's her job to treat human beings as cargo. Cargo to be shipped off to a country that has a terrible human rights record and where members of the gay community are persecuted.

She isn't even trying to deal with the people trafficking gangs. She is persecuting the VICTIMS of the people traffiking gangs. It is a cruel, racist policy from a cruel, racist Home Secretary and government.

Was it her who suggested physically pushing back refugee dinghies and trying to create a " Wave Machine " to capsize them ?

 

[Gwylan]

Was it her who suggested physically pushing back refugee dinghies and trying to create a " Wave Machine " to capsize them ?

And solving the NI border issue by blockading the country and starving them out.

She's a real charmer, isn't she?