[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[Herr Tubthumper]

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Two issues with this.

1) After day 2 you need a doctors certificate…I imagine it’s quite difficult to see your doctor at short notice in the UK?
2) All of this, plus plentiful numbers of doctors to cover 1), is funded by paying 14% of your salary (7% employer, 7% employee). I believe we pay 2.7 times more for our health care than the UK.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

Stop putting it on the poster. The problem is supply is outstripping demand. This is the fault of the government, not the people who lacked your incredible foresight

Supply outstripping demand ? Doesn’t really make sense. There has likely been a surge in demand meaning demand is outstripping supply. Similar happened over the Christmas period during the Omicron surge.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

Two issues with this.

1) After day 2 you need a doctors certificate…I imagine it’s quite difficult to see your doctor at short notice in the UK?
2) All of this, plus plentiful numbers of doctors to cover 1), is funded by paying 14% of your salary (7% employer, 7% employee). I believe we pay 2.7 times more for our health care than the UK.

No issues at all seeing your doctor at short notice over here. You also have a private/public healthcare system whereas ours is completely state funded.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

No issues at all seeing your doctor at short notice over here. You also have a private/public healthcare system whereas ours is completely state funded.

Fair enough. Things have obviously improved since I left, which is good news. I always found it difficult to get an appointment to see my GP at short notice for non-urgent matters.

 

[studio150]

More likely there has been a surge in demand this week in anticipation of the changes. We ordered some at the end of last week for exactly this reason. If you expected it then perhaps you should have done the same.

I did and ordered two lots last week

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

The problem being that many companies don't pay full sick pay only SSP.

I blame Shane Duffy.

 

[zefarelly]

Fair enough. Things have obviously improved since I left, which is good news. I always found it difficult to get an appointment to see my GP at short notice for non-urgent matters.

Things haven't improved, they've got worse.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

No issues at all seeing your doctor at short notice over here. You also have a private/public healthcare system whereas ours is completely state funded.

Sorry, but that’s not true.

Private GPs maybe, NHS no chance.

 

[Dick Swiveller]

No issues at all seeing your doctor at short notice over here.

Not even close to true for a lot of us. I have had a few waits of several days to see a paramedic or a nurse when you want to see a doctor. Last time, I got a phone call from a nurse after 3 days to see if I warranted a phone call from a doctor.

 

[Fungus]

Sorry, but that’s not true.

Private GPs maybe, NHS no chance.

For many, that wasn’t true even before the pandemic.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

Sorry, but that’s not true.

Private GPs maybe, NHS no chance.

Not even close to true for a lot of us. I have had a few waits of several days to see a paramedic or a nurse when you want to see a doctor. Last time, I got a phone call from a nurse after 3 days to see if I warranted a phone call from a doctor.

Well, it’s true for me in both Norfolk and Merseyside. The NHS is absolutely brilliant and continues to give service that puts many private industries to shame. I have had same day appointments at times.

 

[Machiavelli]

No issues at all seeing your doctor at short notice over here. You also have a private/public healthcare system whereas ours is completely state funded.

See this from today:

https://www.theguardian.com/society...as-gp-profession-horribly-eroded-clare-gerada

 

[beorhthelm]

Well, it’s true for me in both Norfolk and Merseyside. The NHS is absolutely brilliant and continues to give service that puts many private industries to shame. I have had same day appointments at times.

you're fortunate. for most, if not elderly or child the GP doesnt want to know. not fit for purpose and should be overhauled. would be good to look at the German model, sadly too many see any change as sacrilege and we wont pay for it, as seen by upraor at paying 1% more for health and social care.

 

[Igzilla]

In Worthing, we can still phone our GP surgery from 8am to get a same day appointment. During the lockdowns. it was a phone call, of course, but still same day.

 

[Springal]

In Worthing, we can still phone our GP surgery from 8am to get a same day appointment. During the lockdowns. it was a phone call, of course, but still same day.

What surgery ? No chance at Lime Tree. Can normally get a video call triage quickly but follow up to actually be seen takes a long time. So long I went private for something in the end - and this was beginning of last month

 

[Igzilla]

What surgery ? No chance at Lime Tree. Can normally get a video call triage quickly but follow up to actually be seen takes a long time. So long I went private for something in the end - and this was beginning of last month

Victoria Road.

 

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[Lower West Stander]

Went into my local surgery to pick up some pills for my other half. It was like we were still in the middle of the first lockdown.

Chairs blocking the waiting area, no face to face appointments, compulsory masks, you had to queue outside the pharmacy cos only one person was allowed in the building at a time.

God knows what it’s like in Drakeford land.


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[Harry Wilson's tackle]

you're fortunate. for most, if not elderly or child the GP doesnt want to know. not fit for purpose and should be overhauled. would be good to look at the German model, sadly too many see any change as sacrilege and we wont pay for it, as seen by upraor at paying 1% more for health and social care.

I agree the NHS has suffered over the years, and I don't think it is much to do with underfunding, but the consequences of making it like a business, with a market model imposed at every level of resourcing, whether it makes sense (when buying from outside the NHS it does) or not (charging my department for the use of my office, employing hoards of people to shuffle money from one department to another, and a load of other people to count every penny transferred, using a ****ing employment agency to assign students to help run my practicals, and employing hoards of people to calculate, acquire and manage overheads charged when one department provides a service to another department, etc etc).

What exactly do you object to, though - not being seen on the day (well, go private, then) or having to hand over your hard earned cash, by way of taxation, to fund a socialist health care system (meaning that other people may benefit from your hard earned cash, taken by taxation)?

If you simply object to it being a bit shit, we could all pay a bit more tax to make it better, of course. But that isn't part of the conservative vision, and even labour are reluctant to suggest it (although think Corbyn did so) because, as you rightly infer we all want a great health service bur refuse to pay for it (with that bit of your post I agree).

So we have this market model that was brought in to stop the NHS wasting money. It is an absolute joke.

However I maintain that free at the point of use is a brilliant element of the NHS. It won't get better by making it 'pay at the door'.

I have been working in the same hospital for most of the last 33 years, and I have seen a shabby but slick operation turned into a shiny but clunky and constipated behemoth owing to the imposition of market values, outsourcing, privatization and the like.

A cynic might think it has been modified in order that it will fail and have to be sold off in chunks to the private sector.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

you're fortunate. for most, if not elderly or child the GP doesnt want to know. not fit for purpose and should be overhauled. would be good to look at the German model, sadly too many see any change as sacrilege and we wont pay for it, as seen by upraor at paying 1% more for health and social care.

See this from today:

https://www.theguardian.com/society...as-gp-profession-horribly-eroded-clare-gerada

I get that there is variable service across the country (and even within towns as per the post from [MENTION=25615]Igzilla[/MENTION] and others). I also get the massive new demands on doctors. The Guardian article is very moving and reminds me of the ‘This is going to hurt’ series we are watching. The issues in the article, particularly around life longetivity and survival of one serious health issue to then have another one are particularly pertinent to me. I have used up very expensive intensive care services twice when perhaps in the past the first one would have killed me off. Who knows what the future holds. I have though had brilliant care both in and out of hospital and am a massive fan of the NHS. Maybe I have also been very lucky.