[Politics] The NSC 'up all night' election night *** OFFICIAL MATCH THREAD ***

[jcdenton08]

Through to the next round here lads, no excuses.

 

[jcdenton08]

Just arrived at the White House, very quiet here. Record low attendance?

 

[Publius Ovidius]

We are in the middle of the med heading to Santorini from Cyprus and will wake up to a new gvt!

Lots of on board celebrating their treason day

Surprisingly not many trump fans although not one person we have spoken to thinks Biden should carry on

But everyone doesn’t think the current VP s up to the job.

 

[Weststander]

That’s true, and to an extent I can’t blame them for that.

However, when people look at (for example) the outright corruption and incompetence, coupled with the outright lying of the incumbents, then surely there’s more to voting than a purely financial incentive?

We have (to my mind) built a deeply unhappy and unhealthy society, that teaches that might makes right, and any means justifies the end. Both issues that society as a concept was initially founded to try and prevent.

Do you genuinely believe that there is no moral component to voting, is it all about the pounds and pence?

I’ve read many articles like the following over recent years. An elderly couple die leaving £1.7m, IHT is £400k. Descendants are furious about that with literally any UK government/politician. “Our money has been taken away”. There’ll be an awful lot of people in England with numbers like that …. home, BTL, holiday home in the West Country or France/Spain, SIPP, ISA, other funds under wealth management. My profession is in finance. In 36 years I can’t remember anyone saying I want to give away far more in tax for the greater good. The most I’ve heard is “1% greater income tax to fix the NHS”. Whilst some people (no pattern of whom) give generously to charity.

To summarise. Preserving family income and wealth overrides Partygate and Brexit every time. It’s a false bubble on NSC where you’d get the impression that the greater UK public in 2024 are bothered by those things. Detailed recent polling on issues show this.

Imho the mortgage rate and rent hikes of the last 2 years were THE killer. Many millions are skint.

 

[Tim Over Whelmed]

Grapes?

In both solid and liquid form

 

[HeaviestTed]

Just picked up a case of Stella and some fruit gums….HERE WE GO…..UTA

 

[Tim Over Whelmed]

So, pre match home made chicken kebab, jewelled rice and chilli’s.

…. Settling down now, looking at my four fingers of twix and wondering whether to eat one per hour or when each significant outcome is reported?

 

[BBassic]

Anyone else see that CGI cat on the Sky coverage? Who's idea was that?!

 

[kevo]

Just picked up a case of Stella and some fruit gums….HERE WE GO…..UTA

Does Stella go with fruit gums?

 

[Weststander]

I think I made these a couple of years ago. Gutted now it wasn’t more. The odds shortened with every BoE rate rise.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Just arrived at the White House, very quiet here. Record low attendance?

Just read your post above and was about to ask whether you had arrived at the White House yet.

I'm told you get seen quicker if you wave a gun about.

 

[jcdenton08]

Refreshing nap completed. 2l of ice cold Pepsi in the fridge and collecting a large Domino’s in 10 minutes. Got Pringles, fresh fruit salad (a token nod to health given the other shit I’ll be eating) and a pack of butter mints. And coffee, lots of coffee.

SO EXCITED.

 

[jcdenton08]

Just read your post above and was about to ask whether you had arrived at the White House yet.

I'm told you get seen quicker if you wave a gun about.

I think we’re going to be very happy bunnies tomorrow morning me old mucker!

 

[chickens]

I’ve read many articles like the following over recent years. An elderly couple die leaving £1.7m, IHT is £400k. Descendants are furious about that with literally any UK government/politician. “Our money has been taken away”. There’ll be an awful lot of people in England with numbers like that …. home, BTL, holiday home in the West Country or France/Spain, SIPP, ISA, other funds under wealth management. My profession is in finance. In 36 years I can’t remember anyone saying I want to give away far more in tax for the greater good. The most I’ve heard is “1% greater income tax to fix the NHS”. Whilst some people (no pattern of whom) give generously to charity.

To summarise. Preserving family income and wealth overrides Partygate and Brexit every time. It’s a false bubble on NSC where you’d get the impression that the greater UK public in 2024 are bothered by those things. Detailed recent polling on issues show this.

Imho the mortgage rate and rent hikes of the last 2 years was THE killer. Many millions are skint.

But with all due respect, people with less, or those feeling that they are fine with paying tax aren’t going to be seeking out your advice are they? So you’re going to have a view slightly skewed by your client base.

I’m sure among your client base the issues you’ve mentioned are absolutely key, but we all tend to have our worldview shaped by those we deal with on a regular basis, and it is difficult to think that the prevailing worldview in our work/social circle might not prevail widely outside it.

However, the “stickiness” of the Conservative vote suggests that a significant chunk of the voting public shares your view, or a similar one.

 

[kevo]

I've bought a quiche. I don't know why. I don't even like quiche.

 

[Eeyore]

Only half an hour more of dogs at polling stations on the BBC

 

[chickens]

I've bought a quiche. I don't know why. I don't even like quiche.

Don’t worry, under a Labour government you’ll come home with satisfactory comestibles.

It might even have been in the manifesto.

 

[Tim Over Whelmed]

Putin just said the turnout is going to be 75.6%

 

[clapham_gull]

I've bought a quiche. I don't know why. I don't even like quiche.

It's a sub-conscious and complex anti-woke vote.

 

[Weststander]

But with all due respect, people with less, or those feeling that they are fine with paying tax aren’t going to be seeking out your advice are they? So you’re going to have a view slightly skewed by your client base.

I’m sure among your client base the issues you’ve mentioned are absolutely key, but we all tend to have our worldview shaped by those we deal with on a regular basis, and it is difficult to think that the prevailing worldview in our work/social circle might not prevail widely outside it.

However, the “stickiness” of the Conservative vote suggests that a significant chunk of the voting public shares your view, or a similar one.

I’ve known countless subbies, cabbies, graphic designers, candlestick makers.

I never said it was my view, we’re not wealthy and don’t own BTL’s, just explaining why the Tory/Reform vote remains a thing. I voted Green. Your vision of it disappearing altogether ignores vast numbers of people sitting pretty who fear yet higher taxes. Most democracies including France, Germany, Spain, Italy and Netherlands have centre right to far right parties, believing in a reduced state, they have huge support.