The NHS really is something to be proud of.

[mistahclarke]

I suppose you have to weigh up whether you'd rather pay for it and be seen straight away, or expect it all free and accept that, particularly at peak times, there will always be a wait, and that the triage process means others will frequently jump the queue due to having more serious conditions.

Very true. I get corporate healthcare these days so I would rather it stayed free for the masses personally.

The NHS is still the envy of the world, even with it's fault.

 

[Drumstick]

Biased being a student nurse but they're fantastic, if anyone on here remembers the photo of my leg and they not only saved it but its almost perfect.

 

[DTES]

That is a really sad example

Yes, it is. My point was that sad examples exist.

"They just die, right"? I have never said anything aggressive or nasty to you. Why do u choose to see me as a compassionless monster? You clearly have prejudices about what I am saying.

No prejudice here. You seemed to imply that if someone couldn't afford treatment it was their fault and I couldn't see any other destination for that logical train you'd jumped on.

I believe that that young person would be taken care of by family, community and charity. I expect we don't share the same faith in freedom though.

It's absolutely nothing to do with "faith in freedom", you started this about faith in free market economics, which is entirely different.

Still, it's a nice idea that the community would provide healthcare for one amongst them. Why are you ok, however, in a "community leader", or the head of a charity deciding who can/can't get treatment, but not someone working for the state?

 

[les dynam]

24hrs ago Jnr Stat came off some monkey bars and smashed his arm.

Within minutes, less than 5, an ambulance was on the scene.
He was tended to brilliantly by the fellas there.
Off to and straight through hospital A&E, x-ray, specialist.

Within 4 hours he's being operated on, for 4 hours , through till midnight.

Obs done all night, then back home 24hrs after the ambulance was called.

I very rarely moan about the NHS, but probably have.
Then something like this happens and you realise just how bloody proud of it we should be, instead of kicking it around like a political football.

THIS. 100 times this.

I honestly think people who complain about it are the people who haven't been using it - in my ACTUAL REAL LIFE experience, so not taken from the pages of a scaremongering newspaper, it's an utterly amazing service. possibly THE best thing about Britain.

dingodan you are a completely deluded fool. go back to quietly reading your copy of the mail please and leave the rest of us in peace

 

[dingodan]

You all have a very romantic view of the NHS and I can understand why.

It's still based on bad philosophy though. Sorry.

 

[Lady Whistledown]

It's still based on bad philosophy though. Sorry.

We could say exactly the same to you surely

 

[dingodan]

It's absolutely nothing to do with "faith in freedom", you started this about faith in free market economics, which is entirely different.

Error.

 

[les dynam]

You all have a very romantic view of the NHS and I can understand why.

It's still based on bad philosophy though. Sorry.

mine is based on experience. which has always been very good.

have you actually been cared for by the NHS (i assume you were born in the UK?) and if so how did YOU find it?

 

[DTES]

Error.

So on what basis do you have such faith in free market economics - such faith that you would be prepared to gamble the life of every citizen in the United Kingdom?

You've only mentioned cheap mobile phones (and completely ignored the point that, however cheap they are, not everyone can afford a mobile phone), and that seems pretty flimsy logic to gamble human lives on.

 

[dingodan]

So on what basis do you have such faith in free market economics - such faith that you would be prepared to gamble the life of every citizen in the United Kingdom?

You've only mentioned cheap mobile phones (and completely ignored the point that, however cheap they are, not everyone can afford a mobile phone), and that seems pretty flimsy logic to gamble human lives on.

You need to come around to the idea that your freedom is not divided into economic liberty and personal liberty. Liberty is one thing, you have a right to your life, your property and the fruits of your labour.

Almost everyone can afford a mobile phone. A very small number of people cannot, but as I said earlier I do believe that those in need would be cared for by family community and charity.

But think about it, where the government gets involved (education, medicine) the quality goes down and the cost goes up. Where there is free market competition, supply and demand, people voting economically, quality goes up and prices go down. Its like physics.

 

[DTES]

You need to come around to the idea that your freedom is not divided into economic liberty and personal liberty. Liberty is one thing, you have a right to your life, your property and the fruits of your labour.

That doesn't answer my question.

 

[Hillian1]

Can someone please tell me how a thread started to praise the NHS and the good work it carries out on a daily basis has degenerated into an argument about philosophy and free markets.

 

[DTES]

Can someone please tell me how a thread started to praise the NHS and the good work it carries out on a daily basis has degenerated into an argument about philosophy and free markets.

Because this is North Stand Chat, and that's what North Stand Chat does.

 

[dingodan]

Can someone please tell me how a thread started to praise the NHS and the good work it carries out on a daily basis has degenerated into an argument about philosophy and free markets.

I blame myself.

 

[Hillian1]

Because this is North Stand Chat, and that's what North Stand Chat does.

Ah yes, silly me i forgot that for a moment.

As you were.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

I was going to say what happened to my daughter at Princess Royal Hospital Haywards Heath today but I am so incandescent that I'm going to have a nice cup of tea instead. And then we're going to crucify the sods.

I was asked to explain this. Today, an individual at PRH tried to cover up an appalling administrative cock-up by accusing my extremely fragile daughter of being dishonest. There then emerged firm proof that the fault lay with the nursing staff but the gruesome woman - a senior nurse - refused to show the slightest scintilla of remorse. A member of her staff later explained that she "was having a bad day".

This no more proves that the NHS is useless than an example of wonderful service proves that it is excellent. But I do wish that people would stop rattling on about how all nurses are perfect. They are not, and there seem to be more uncaring ones than there should be. Nothing to do with lack of resources. Just a lack of love.

 

[Kazenga <3]

I was asked to explain this. Today, an individual at PRH tried to cover up an appalling administrative cock-up by accusing my extremely fragile daughter of being dishonest. There then emerged firm proof that the fault lay with the nursing staff but the gruesome woman - a senior nurse - refused to show the slightest scintilla of remorse. A member of her staff later explained that she "was having a bad day".

This no more proves that the NHS is useless than an example of wonderful service proves that it is excellent. But I do wish that people would stop rattling on about how all nurses are perfect. They are not, and there seem to be more uncaring ones than there should be. Nothing to do with lack of resources. Just a lack of love.

I don't think anyone has suggested all nurses are perfect as that would be ridiculous. However I believe the majority do a good job but as is the case in any institution, some will be less than adequate. If you have a problem then report the individual concerned and hopefully the issue will be resolved.

 

[Scampi]

In a free market your doc who is too friendly with his pharma buddies would lose business because he does not provide a good service.

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God help us.. Do you really think thats how a truly free market would work.

 

[Scampi]

Can someone please tell me how a thread started to praise the NHS and the good work it carries out on a daily basis has degenerated into an argument about philosophy and free markets.

Because Dingodan is being allowed to spam the board with this conspiracy/ libertarian stuff he's swallowed. IMO it's about time the mods had a quiet word in his ear about him constantly derailing threads.

 

[dingodan]

God help us.. Do you really think thats how a truly free market would work.

I would not use that doctor. U probably would not choose him as ur family doc etha. That is the operation of the free market.