The Jeremy Corbyn thread

[wellquickwoody]

I have enjoyed a very privileged life myself

Ahh, champagne socialism

I think she is a hideous parody of a human being.

Personal insults.

Do you really think the politics of the people that have led the Labour Party through its history have been "born of jealousy".

My accusation of jealousy was more aimed at the Labour movement as a whole than at the leadership in particular.

It matters not what you and I joust about in the big scheme of things, but you and other radicals are deluding yourselves if you think the electorate will give the self appointed Jesus a mandate.

 

[GT49er]

His a segment from the link you gave me. Again, Foot was the compromise left candidate to unite the party. He was not the left wing candidate. Tony Benn was.

You pick a very small segment to try and deny the whole picture. And, btw, Tony Benn didn't stand for the leadership. The election was between Footie and the right wing Denis Healey, not Tony Benn - and the significant bit of your snippet is, "Foot presented himself as a compromise candidate ".

"A passionate orator and associated with the left of the Labour Party, for most of his career Foot was an ardent supporter of the Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament and British withdrawal from the European Economic Community."

During his tenure of office as Labour leader he was so 'not left wing' that the right wing of the Labour party resigned and went off to form the SDP.

 

[Moshe Gariani]

She's a politician who's policies you happen to disagree with, GROW UP!!

No thanks. If I was in a position of responsibility then it would be important to be "grown up" about it and focus only on policies. Very much in the style of Jeremy Corbyn.

However, I'm posting on a football message board thread where Jeremy Corbyn has just been compared to Adolf Hitler

The Tories run this country to the perpetual benefit of the most privileged third of the population. Their leader who glories in that achievement is an evil witch.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

There is an increasing trend it seems to re interpret events to suit a particular narrative. It's the methodology used by Donald Trump and any criticism or pointing out of actual facts are dismissed as 'media conspiracy' or 'media brainwashing.' It's not just the assertion on here that Foot wasn't left wing which is laughable to anyone who lived through that era. It's a whole host of issues and the main offenders in this country seem to be disciples of the current Labour leadership. As also shown on this thread if in doubt then sling extreme personal insults at your opponent, well that works for Trump as well...sad really that our politics has become contaminated by this Americanisation and hugely ironic as to who are the culprits..

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

No thanks. If I was in a position of responsibility then it would be important to be "grown up" about it and focus only on policies. Very much in the style of Jeremy Corbyn.

However, I'm posting on a football message board thread where Jeremy Corbyn has just been compared to Adolf Hitler

The Tories run this country to the perpetual benefit of the most privileged third of the population. Their leader who glories in that achievement is an evil witch.

'Evil witch' Theresa
'Crooked' Hilary

You have rather made my point for me.

 

[Bozza]

Just checking out her biography to look for clues on the proud "grammar school girl" who believes in equality of opportunity.

This is the story of how the talented young Theresa managed to against the odds pull herself up the ladder...

Only child of educated and middle class parents. Village primary school in prosperous Oxfordshire.

Now the even better bit...

Brief spell of private schooling at St Juliana's Independent Convent School in order to prepare for the 11+ exam ....!!!!

You couldn't make it up.

I can't speak for Theresa but my parents told me where to school and I had little choice but to follow that instruction. I reckon that's the same for most kids.

Seems somewhat strange to have a go at her for decisions her parents made. It's almost as if it suits your agenda to do so.

 

[BLOCK F]

No thanks. If I was in a position of responsibility then it would be important to be "grown up" about it and focus only on policies. Very much in the style of Jeremy Corbyn.

However, I'm posting on a football message board thread where Jeremy Corbyn has just been compared to Adolf Hitler

The Tories run this country to the perpetual benefit of the most privileged third of the population. Their leader who glories in that achievement is an evil witch.

'Evil witch'.
Christ Moshe, are you some kind of a nutter to come out with such shite?
Pathetic.
Would love to know how old you are, because you sound like an immature git. I could forgive you if you were, but the trouble is you are probably just a git.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

I can't speak for Theresa but my parents told me where to school and I had little choice but to follow that instruction. I reckon that's the same for most kids.

Seems somewhat strange to have a go at her for decisions her parents made. It's almost as if it suits your agenda to do so.

Quite, Corbyn went to Castle House Preparatory School (an independent school) then Adams' Grammar School. Seemed to give him a good start in life .... I blame the parents.

 

[Iggle Piggle]

No thanks. If I was in a position of responsibility then it would be important to be "grown up" about it and focus only on policies. Very much in the style of Jeremy Corbyn.

He's well grown up is Jezza

Like when he sat on the bog of an empty train to make a point about over crowding
or when he said he'd build a nuclear submarine without any nuclear capability
or when he told us all to stop going out for drinks after work with our colleagues (before he went out for a drink after work with his colleagues)

I've seen more grown up politics in the student union.

 

[BLOCK F]

He's well grown up is Jezza

Like when he sat on the bog of an empty train to make a point about over crowding
or when he said he'd build a nuclear submarine without any nuclear capability
or when he told us all to stop going out for drinks after work with our colleagues (before he went out for a drink after work with his colleagues)

I've seen more grown up politics in the student union.

Well said.
Perhaps it is 'grown up' actions, ideas and suggestions like these that attract deep thinkers such as Moshe and the likes.
Shame it wrecks the Labour Party in the meantime.

 

[GT49er]

I can't speak for Theresa but my parents told me where to school and I had little choice but to follow that instruction.

How times have changed! Now you get a letter from the Local Authority which explains things very politely- but what it's really saying is "No, we won't put your child into the school you (and/or they) wanted - instead we've decided to bus them across town to our failing sink comprehensive in the forlorn hope that if we railroad a few bright kids in there it will somehow improve - or at least the exam results might be better so that the school appears to be improving!"

Didn't work of course. Lowest Common Denominator prevailed, inevitably. The site is now up for grabs for housing development, I believe.

 

[Bozza]

Quite, Corbyn went to Castle House Preparatory School (an independent school) then Adams' Grammar School. Seemed to give him a good start in life .... I blame the parents.

Don't those posh schools teach the kids how to debate and the like? I think Jeremy's parents should be asking for a partial refund of what they paid at the very least.

They could put the money towards a suit or two for him.

 

[Cian]

I can't speak for Theresa but my parents told me where to school and I had little choice but to follow that instruction. I reckon that's the same for most kids. .

I was given a choice of two options for the first three years of secondary and three for the second three years by my parents. Chose the one my mates went to in both cases, though.

 

[Moshe Gariani]

'Evil witch'.
Christ Moshe, are you some kind of a nutter to come out with such shite?
Pathetic.
Would love to know how old you are, because you sound like an immature git. I could forgive you if you were, but the trouble is you are probably just a git.

I love all the faux outrage that the NSC Tories come out with as soon as any remotely colourful language is introduced.

By all means let's debate policies in the style of a parliamentary sub-committee.

Shall we start with Theresa May's proposal to increase the number of grammar schools?

Please can you use the evidence available from Kent to explain why more grammar schools will be a good use of the limited resources in the current education budget?

 

[carlzeiss]

Don't those posh schools teach the kids how to debate and the like? I think Jeremy's parents should be asking for a partial refund of what they paid at the very least.

They could put the money towards a suit or two for him.

Jezza could do with the extra funds as £137K pa + expenses doesn't go far these days .


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/p...ry-labour-scotland-out-of-touch-a7212811.html

 

[BLOCK F]

I love all the faux outrage that the NSC Tories come out with as soon as any remotely colourful language is introduced.

By all means let's debate policies in the style of a parliamentary sub-committee.

Shall we start with Theresa May's proposal to increase the number of grammar schools?

Please can you use the evidence available from Kent to explain why more grammar schools will be a good use of the limited resources in the current education budget?

No faux outrage, Moshe.
For what it is worth, I am not convinced that opening more Grammar Schools is the way forward.

P.S.I do not object to colourful language, I just happen to believe that calling Mrs. May an evil witch because you don't agree with her politics is a bit gitty.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

I love all the faux outrage that the NSC Tories come out with as soon as any remotely colourful language is introduced.

By all means let's debate policies in the style of a parliamentary sub-committee.

Shall we start with Theresa May's proposal to increase the number of grammar schools?

Please can you use the evidence available from Kent to explain why more grammar schools will be a good use of the limited resources in the current education budget?

Two separate issues. I agree with you about Grammar schools (and probably a range of other issues). I was making a point about the language of insult as legitimized by Donald Trump and elements in the Labour Party.

 

[Moshe Gariani]

No faux outrage, Moshe.
For what it is worth, I am not convinced that opening more Grammar Schools is the way forward.

Fair enough. Any other Tories going to speak up for the most transparently elitist and self-serving policy proposal since their last headline policy about inheritance tax?

Assuming not, can we move on to inheritance tax?

Please can someone explain to me how it can possibly be socially just for so much wealth to be stored and passed down family lines? Especially when the vast majority of that wealth is unearned and exists only as a result of privilege and house price inflation? People who work hard, earn money, create jobs etc should enjoy the fruits of their success while they are alive. They are also free to provide abundantly for their families while they are alive (and also apparently free to dodge most of their inheritance tax obligations on their death). In the current climate the more routine passing down family lines of property based wealth is increasingly going to be the biggest single barrier to social mobility.

Would a more progressive inheritance tax policy not be an obvious partial solution if we really are, as Theresa May asserted yesterday in the Commons, concerned about providing "equality of opportunity" for all...?

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

Fair enough. Any other Tories going to speak up for the most transparently elitist and self-serving policy proposal since their last headline policy about inheritance tax?

Assuming not, can we move on to inheritance tax?

Please can someone explain to me how it can possibly be socially just for so much wealth to be stored and passed down family lines? Especially when the vast majority of that wealth is unearned and exists only as a result of privilege and house price inflation? People who work hard, earn money, create jobs etc should enjoy the fruits of their success while they are alive. They are also free to provide abundantly for their families while they are alive (and also apparently free to dodge most of their inheritance tax obligations on their death). In the current climate the more routine passing down family lines of property based wealth is increasingly going to be the biggest single barrier to social mobility.

Would a more progressive inheritance tax policy not be an obvious partial solution if we really are, as Theresa May asserted yesterday in the Commons, concerned about providing "equality of opportunity" for all...?

100 % yes but it needs to be done in a way that does not see large amounts of capital move abroad and that's the problem. Rather inconveniently the real world often intrudes and prevents the carrying out of good intentions. The real wealthy will find a way around it and this will leave the hard working moderately well off facing a disproportionate effect. This will further alienate these voters and make the chances of a progressive UK government in this country recede even further into the distance. Issues such as this may give the Corbynistas a warm glow but they won't help the working people that Labour is supposed to represent.

Next ? Or maybe a 'Moshe asks' thread or sub forum ?

 

[beorhthelm]

The Tories run this country to the perpetual benefit of the most privileged third of the population. Their leader who glories in that achievement is an evil witch.

Labour run the country to the benefit of the least privileged third, and the middle, remaining third get to decide which side is in power. as most are aspirational, they err toward the economic right, and thats what Cobyn supporters dont or wont recognise, thats why he's unelectable in the country at large.

Assuming not, can we move on to inheritance tax?
Would a more progressive inheritance tax policy not be an obvious partial solution if we really are, as Theresa May asserted yesterday in the Commons, concerned about providing "equality of opportunity" for all...?

lets have a literally progressive inheritance tax policy: lets get rid of it and apply income or capital gains instead. seems the flaw with IHT is that it has a separate threshold and such a high rate of tax applied, inconsistent with most arguments for and against.