[Politics] The General Election Thread

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

To be fair I re-read my own post and I could have made it clearer.

Are we allowed to be fair on this thread?

 

[Baldseagull]

So the Tories campaign is off to a cracking start...

Rees Mogg says he wouldn't have died if he was at Grenfell as he had common sense , backed up by fellow Tory Andrew Bridgen who said Mogg was too clever to have listened to the fire brigade's advice
Welsh Secretary Alun Cairns lied when he said he knew nothing about his adviser and Welsh assembly candidate wrecking a rape trial
Tories put out a video of Keir Starmer doctored to show a false narrative and get called out for it by Piers Morgan
Tory candidate in Wales says all benefit claimants should be put down
DWP adverts about Universal Credit banned for being misleading

You have to ask why they are advertising Universal Credit, at a cost of £250,000. It is not as if they want people to stop working and claim benefits, nor is placing the ads in the Metro, a free paper for commuters going to work, going to be informing people that need support on how to claim.
It was, in my opinion, tax payers money being spent on electioneering for the Tories.

 

[nicko31]

Although the sad truth is that his views were mainstream at the time. We have to face the realty that if we were of an age in1958 we may have felt little different. Quite frightening really, Shows how easily people are conditioned.

The presenter is ahead of his time.

Its the legacy of this that keeps the Daily Mail going...

 

[Bold Seagull]

I don't think Peter Mandelson or Alistair Campbell would have started a General Election campaign with Labour so far behind in the polls. Once again - like 2 years ago - you have a mountain to climb.

Furthermore - and this is key - it is logical for voters to associate this version of Labour with the Labour Party of the 70s that drove the country into the ground for 3 reasons:

1. Brexit is turning the clock back to 1973 when we were out of Europe - that is the frame through which UK politics is viewed.
2. Corbyn himself was part of that Labour Party of the 1970s in the bad, old days.
3. He opposed much of 'New' Labour under Blair and Brown.

Corbyn is an honest campaigner, he is passionate, a man of conviction and fundamentally a decent human being but he does not know how to lead, he hasn't surrounded himself with his ablest politicians and the public aren't convinced by his position on Brexit, the monarchy or Northern Ireland or that he has resolved the allegations of anti-semitism.

The 70’s though is a bit like blaming the financial crash on Labour, the Tories were in power for half that decade, and it seems almost a footnote Heath led us into a double dip recession and out of control interest rates by 1974.

We are where we are though, he won 2 leadership elections, he won a huge vote share in 2017 when he hadn’t been leader long, and Labour will have a progressive forward looking manifesto. I do agree that for a lot of centrists, it’s whether they can stomach a turn to the left or not.

 

[Gwylan]

Although the sad truth is that his views were mainstream at the time. We have to face the realty that if we were of an age in1958 we may have felt little different. Quite frightening really, Shows how easily people are conditioned.

The presenter is ahead of his time.

They weren't really mainstream - even in 1958. James Wentworth Day was never elected as an MP and his view were a bit extreme for many in the Tory party. Remember that 1958 was just before Macmillan's Wind of Change speech and just about the same time as Enoch Powell was persuading Carribean workers to come to work in the NHS. JWD's views were not welcomed, to say the least.

Dan Farson was liberally minded but as he was gay, he wouldn't have truck with many of JWD's views. In fact, Wentworth Day's television career came to an end when he told Farson that all homosexuals should be hanged. He didn't appear again after that.

I'd never seen a young Farson before - a long way from the alcoholic wreck that he became

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Least we forget a deputy leader that is an IRA sympathiser

You're wasting your time, it became clear to me some time ago that Corbyn/McDonnell could be pictured wearing I Luv the IRA t - shirts while throwing bricks through the window of a synagogue and some people would still defend them and find an excuse to vote for them .... #eviltories

 

[BLOCK F]

This was predicted, and predicted to get much worse. I wonder how much of today's Tory charge sheet will make The Times on Thursday ?

I reckon quite a lot; although they did run the JRM piece today and also had a right pop at the Government holding back the publication on the Russian meddling controversy.
Also figured did the story re the Welsh Secretary,Alun Cairns.
The Times is a pretty balanced paper.

 

[vegster]

Peter Kyle would indeed get my vote, if I was in Hove. Peter recently talked about his struggles with Dyslexia and admitted he has a reading age of 8.5. He also has two degrees and his intelligence and hard work shine through. Us folk in East Worthing and Adur has not been so fortunate with our parliamentary representation.

I'm stuck with the same self centred ERG pillock as you, at least he had his majority slashed last time out !

 

[Gwylan]

The 70’s though is a bit like blaming the financial crash on Labour, the Tories were in power for half that decade, and it seems almost a footnote Heath led us into a double dip recession and out of control interest rates by 1974.

Indeed. Many of the UK's problems of the mid and late 70s can be attributed to two things: the Arab-Israeli war and the quadrupling of oil prices and Barber's disasterous 1973 inflationary budget. Taken together these two led to a 22% inflation rate. The Tories seem to have escaped scot-free from that - no-one talks about Barber's cock-up these days

 

[vegster]

I reckon quite a lot; although they did run the JRM piece today and also had a right pop at the Government holding back the publication on the Russian meddling controversy.
Also figured did the story re the Welsh Secretary,Alun Cairns.
The Times is a pretty balanced paper.

Only when compared to the Express and Mail...

 

[daveinplzen]

You're wasting your time, it became clear to me some time ago that Corbyn/McDonnell could be pictured wearing I Luv the IRA t - shirts while throwing bricks through the window of a synagogue and some people would still defend them and find an excuse to vote for them .... #eviltories

It must hurt you to see the Queen with such a genuine smile in the picture.

 

[BLOCK F]

Only when compared to the Express and Mail...

And the Guardian, of course!

 

[CheeseRolls]

You're wasting your time, it became clear to me some time ago that Corbyn/McDonnell could be pictured wearing I Luv the IRA t - shirts while throwing bricks through the window of a synagogue and some people would still defend them and find an excuse to vote for them .... #eviltories

You are aware it isn't just a straight choice between your own brand of swivel eyed loon and the Marxist variety? There are plenty of choices in candidate and party between the two extremes. Just checking you hadn't missed this.

 

[clapham_gull]

"The Tory party is run by people who basically don’t care about people like me."

That is what most people in the country have thought about the Tory party for decades.

I know a lot of Tory MPs and I am sad to say the public is basically correct.

Tory MPs largely do not care about these poorer people. They don’t care about the NHS.

Dominic Cummings, Boris Johnson's Chief of Staff speaking in 2017

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Dominic Cummings, Boris Johnson's Chief of Staff speaking in 2017

Thank goodness Cummings has now changed the tory party forever, and is now the champion of a new, more socialist, type of tory leader.

I'm surprised, however, that he hasn't proclaimed this structural revolution from the hilltops.

Or is he only concerned with Brexit and couldn't really give two shits about who is leading the tories, or their plans?

 

[JC Footy Genius]

It must hurt you to see the Queen with such a genuine smile in the picture.

Fortunately, I (like most people) can differentiate between some hard - left Labour backbenchers associating and sympathising with SinnFein/IRA when they were blowing up British soldiers and men women and children across the UK and Her Maj meeting McGuiness in her official capacity, long after the terrorism had ceased.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Thank goodness Cummings has now changed the tory party forever, and is now the champion of a new, more socialist, type of tory leader.

I'm surprised, however, that he hasn't proclaimed this structural revolution from the hilltops.

Or is he only concerned with Brexit and couldn't really give two shits about who is leading the tories, or their plans?

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-b...t-dip-for-johnsons-party-yougov-idUKKBN1XG2K0 don't have nightmares H
regards
DK

 

[Thunder Bolt]

You're wasting your time, it became clear to me some time ago that Corbyn/McDonnell could be pictured wearing I Luv the IRA t - shirts while throwing bricks through the window of a synagogue and some people would still defend them and find an excuse to vote for them .... #eviltories

Look up Maria Gatland, a Tory councillor in Croydon. She was an actual member of the IRA wanting all British soldiers shot.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

You are aware it isn't just a straight choice between your own brand of swivel eyed loon and the Marxist variety? There are plenty of choices in candidate and party between the two extremes. Just checking you hadn't missed this.

Voting x Labour candidate in a marginal constituency = helping Corbyn become PM ... sorry if that is news to anyone. Which parties do you consider non 'extreme'?

 

[clapham_gull]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QzOdCqFbfs