[Politics] The General Election Thread

[Fitzcarraldo]

Government providing fast broadband to people seems sensible to me, seeing as the internet (for better or worse) has become a basic need. Think the stiffs need to move out of the doorway on this one.

 

[nicko31]

Bojo on BBC breakfast...

Naga asks...

Give someone an idea of what you are - what the man is like. Why are you relatable to families up and down the country? How can they relate to you?”

His most compelling performance yet...

https://twitter.com/damocrat/status/1195273076503666689

 

[Springal]

Government providing fast broadband to people seems sensible to me, seeing as the internet (for better or worse) has become a basic need. Think the stiffs need to move out of the doorway on this one.

The government can't even run their own IT projects. Letting them run a broadband network would be a disaster. Also the levels of investment needed to keep developing a broadband network is far beyond anything the government could manage.

Also what about all the independent providers building network? If that happened Corbyn would wipe out a huge number of UK Enterprises

The Tories are shit, Corbyn is a ****ing disaster. What a mess

 

[KZNSeagull]

Government providing fast broadband to people seems sensible to me, seeing as the internet (for better or worse) has become a basic need. Think the stiffs need to move out of the doorway on this one.

I don't. Far better done by the market who will continue to invest even in downturns. This will be the last thing that government will spend money on an ongoing basis. Far better things to spend money on.

Plus, if the internet is now a basic need, then our basic needs in this country must be pretty high. I was under the impression from the Labour party that this country was in a terrible state.

 

[Perfidious Albion]

RE NICKO31's post
That moment in the BBC Breakfast interview made me turn off the tv in annoyance.
How stupid and demeaning was that question! Does Naga Munchetty really think her viewers are so stupid as to care whether the Prime Minister is "relatable to families"
We don't need a chummy next-door bloke to be PM. We need an extraordinary man or woman. A statesman who can see the broad picture and hold their own with the world's leaders.
Would she have asked the same question of Winston Churchill?

This is just another example of the BBC's parochial attitude, which with their often ignoring stories of world news outside the UK, has made decide to chose another morning news channel.

 

[Bold Seagull]

You know why your broadband gets faster all the time?

Because there is a free market and competition.

As soon as Sky can offer you 10GB download speeds, Virgin work to offer you 20GB. Then sky work to go faster. & Cheaper.

A government monopoly in the provision of broadband will result in quality decreasing, cost increasing, and fewer and fewer people having access.

The government cannot provide products and services only the market place can.

Today, if your broadband breaks down you phone your supplier and they want to keep your business, so solving your problem matters to them.

Good luck when you have to phone the government's broadband department because you have a problem.

Labour are ridiculous.

So great is our freemarket model for Broadband that only 8% of UK homes get superfast broadband compared with Portugal that has 89% of homes and Spain at 71%. Yes – 8%

BT still has the highest fine ever imposed by Ofcom at £42m with £300m in fines to competitors for intentional delays in rolling out high speed connections.

Neither has competition bought prices down for the consumer, with the UK 21st out of 29 european countries for cost per megabit.

So this wonderful system we have now has only 8% of homes with superfast BB, we are the 21st most expensive. Brilliant work. Just brilliant.

 

[nicko31]

RE NICKO31's post
That moment in the BBC Breakfast interview made me turn off the tv in annoyance.
How stupid and demeaning was that question! Does Naga Munchetty really think her viewers are so stupid as to care whether the Prime Minister is "relatable to families"
We don't need a chummy next-door bloke to be PM. We need an extraordinary man or woman. A statesman who can see the broad picture and hold their own with the world's leaders.
Would she have asked the same question of Winston Churchill?

This is just another example of the BBC's parochial attitude, which with their often ignoring stories of world news outside the UK, has made decide to chose another morning news channel.

He started by saying who privileged he was, OK fair enough we all know you went to Elton Boris. But just because he went to Eton doesn't mean you can't relate to people does it? The interview was just verification he cannot relate to people

If you cannot relate to people ultimately you won't deliver policies for help normal people.

Working class folk take note, he sold you snake oil in 2016, don't buy anymore off this crook

 

[A1X]

What an endorsement this is.

[TWEET]1195301930484076545[/TWEET]

 

[theonlymikey]

RE NICKO31's post
That moment in the BBC Breakfast interview made me turn off the tv in annoyance.
How stupid and demeaning was that question! Does Naga Munchetty really think her viewers are so stupid as to care whether the Prime Minister is "relatable to families"
We don't need a chummy next-door bloke to be PM. We need an extraordinary man or woman. A statesman who can see the broad picture and hold their own with the world's leaders.
Would she have asked the same question of Winston Churchill?

This is just another example of the BBC's parochial attitude, which with their often ignoring stories of world news outside the UK, has made decide to chose another morning news channel.

Labour rolling out pledge after pledge to help the most people in the country all people can say is how can we pay for it.

I’m assuming then that when the manifesto is produced and it’s costed, people will eat humble pie and vote Labour?

UK – the only country in the world that votes to make itself unhappier and unhappier election after election.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Does Fibre have the same restrictions as ADSL - ie you have to be within 3 miles of an exchange otherwise the speed will be shite?

Fibre does have a distance restriction and it depends on a lot of variables including if it is single mode or multi mode. It is also possible to extend it's reach with equipment that, for a better phrase, re-lights the fibre. This re-lighting needs specialist junction boxes installing though. For an analogy, if I wanted to shout a message to you from say the Clock Tower in Brighton and you were at Shoreham Power Station, you wouldn't hear me. But if I shouted to someone at the entrance to Western Road and they then shouted to someone outside Primark and so on all the way to Shoreham Power Station you'd get the message ….. by re-shouting rather than re-lighting though.

 

[Is it PotG?]

View from the right wing Guardian:

Would nationalising broadband work?
Australia has tried to do this with its National Broadband Network and it has been branded one of the biggest infrastructure failures in its history. Set up in 2006, the government’s plan was to roll out full fibre to 93% of all premises, although over the years this was watered down to a “multi-technology mix” using different technologies offering varying levels of speed and service to consumers. “Only one other country in the world has come close to going down this route, Australia,” says Matthew Howett, the principal analyst at telecoms research firm Assembly. “And for a good reason – it’s hard, expensive and fraught with difficulty. Australia’s NBN is years late, massively overbudget and offering speeds and technology a fraction of the original political intention.”

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2019/nov/15/how-feasible-is-labour-free-broadband-plan-and-part-nationalisation-of-bt

 

[nicko31]

What an endorsement this is.

[TWEET]1195301930484076545[/TWEET]

Wonder where Tommy got his hundreds of thousands from?

 

[theonlymikey]

View from the right wing Guardian:

Would nationalising broadband work?
Australia has tried to do this with its National Broadband Network and it has been branded one of the biggest infrastructure failures in its history. Set up in 2006, the government’s plan was to roll out full fibre to 93% of all premises, although over the years this was watered down to a “multi-technology mix” using different technologies offering varying levels of speed and service to consumers. “Only one other country in the world has come close to going down this route, Australia,” says Matthew Howett, the principal analyst at telecoms research firm Assembly. “And for a good reason – it’s hard, expensive and fraught with difficulty. Australia’s NBN is years late, massively overbudget and offering speeds and technology a fraction of the original political intention.”

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2019/nov/15/how-feasible-is-labour-free-broadband-plan-and-part-nationalisation-of-bt

Did it work in Japan?

And secondly, are you are aware the Tories are intending to copy the failed Australian model?

The Labour pledge is a completely different model.

 

[Is it PotG?]

Did it work in Japan?

And secondly, are you are aware the Tories are intending to copy the failed Australian model?

The Labour pledge is a completely different model.

Don't know

No

Won't happen

 

[theonlymikey]

Don't know

No

Won't happen

And so the country crumbles. People talk about how happy the Scandinavian countries are. Then consistently deride the policies that got them there, then vote for the opposite. Tory voters deserve to be unhappy.

 

[nicko31]

View from the right wing Guardian:

Would nationalising broadband work?
Australia has tried to do this with its National Broadband Network and it has been branded one of the biggest infrastructure failures in its history. Set up in 2006, the government’s plan was to roll out full fibre to 93% of all premises, although over the years this was watered down to a “multi-technology mix” using different technologies offering varying levels of speed and service to consumers. “Only one other country in the world has come close to going down this route, Australia,” says Matthew Howett, the principal analyst at telecoms research firm Assembly. “And for a good reason – it’s hard, expensive and fraught with difficulty. Australia’s NBN is years late, massively overbudget and offering speeds and technology a fraction of the original political intention.”

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2019/nov/15/how-feasible-is-labour-free-broadband-plan-and-part-nationalisation-of-bt

Agree. Was over there earlier in the year and my friend was bragging how good their internet was as it was fibre to the home. It was actually pretty crap

 

[Is it PotG?]

And so the country crumbles. People talk about how happy the Scandinavian countries are. Then constituency deride the policies that got them there, then vote for the opposite. Tory voters deserve to be unhappy.

Can you elaborate on this funding for such a venture, via Corporation Tax from the big boys?

 

[Bold Seagull]

Can you elaborate on this funding for such a venture, via Corporation Tax from the big boys?

There is already £5bn committed from Boris's own spending pledge.

 

[KZNSeagull]

And so the country crumbles. People talk about how happy the Scandinavian countries are. Then constituency deride the policies that got them there, then vote for the opposite. Tory voters deserve to be unhappy.

How will giving out free broadband stop the country from crumbling? Surely there are much higher priority things that need sorting out first? Food banks for a start, or will they start doing online ordering and deliveries?

 

[Lincoln Imp]

Quite. There's no right answer. Either The Mirror has stopped supporting Labour, or Nicola from The Mirror will be getting her P45 from The Mirror as soon as she gets back to the office

The answer should have been: "That depends on the people. And the porn."