[Politics] The 2024 US Election - Trump v Harris

[de la zouch]

I’m not interested in engaging with you via PM about other members - your Zionist pro-Israel comments and behaviour to @ Bozza on the Israel /Gaza thread puts us very much at odds both in our views of the war in Gaza and of NSC.

As for quoting Newsweek — a hard right publication with a strong anti- Democratic agenda, I’m not really interested in that either.

Yes im a proud Jewish Zionist
And im also proud of not posting tweets on here that have ended up having community notes added as they were created by Pallywood. A bit like the UNRWA the truth always comes out in the end.

 

[North of Robertsbridge]

What sort of national lead do the dems traditionally need to win the key swing states?

I don’t think you can extrapolate like that. The state-level polls on 538 will be worth following

 

[Zeberdi]

Not me.
I think you may've whooshed a few!

It’s often a pejorative term that has been used by far right Zionists against any Jew that criticises Netanyahu’s war on Gaza ie “They are antisemitic’ - “they have ‘de-jewed’”. They are not ‘Jewish enough’. The OP, a self professed right wing Zionist, uses here it to criticise Shapiro’s stance on Israel.

However, my main concern with the expression is that it is a legitimising term that normalises antisemitism in society that makes it still (outrageously) necessary for Jews to deny/conceal/not highlight their Jewish identity in the first place. It has deep negative connotations for those of us that come from a line of Holocaust survivors. My own family changed our surname on arrival in England in 1938 to avoid anti-semitism in England.

Shapiro has denounced Far Right Netanyahu as the worst Israeli leader ever and he says he wants a two state solution.

 

[US Seagull]

I don’t think you can extrapolate like that. The state-level polls on 538 will be worth following

You can't. Because it's 50 individual elections.

But...if you want to try to get some feeling for it, those 50 elections aren't entirely separate. Some of the dynamics in the national race will be reflected in the individual state races. So, in 2012, Obama won the popular vote by a margin of not quite 4% and won the election. In 2016, Hillary won the popular vote by about 2% (unless you believe Trump's bullshit) and lost the election. In 2020, Biden won the popular vote by nearly 4.5% and won the election.

So the feeling is that Harris would need a margin in the national polls of around 4% to overcome the built in advantage that the Republicans have due to the way the states assign electoral votes.

 

[Greg Bobkin]

Eh what age is 33?

If you're struggling to understand that statement, I now understand why you keep getting things horrendously wrong

 

[Zeberdi]

Wacko Waltz or Terrible Tim?

Never cease to be amazed at a 78 year old guy calling people the type of silly names that the rest of us left behind when leaving primary school.

I’m willing to bet at some point, if Walz backtracks on anything, he’ll hit on (and sing it at his rally) …this



Or will just call him ‘Matilda’

 

[A1X]

 

[StonehamPark]

That is quite unhinged.

I wonder if he’s genuinely attempting to goad Biden back into running.

 

[Greg Bobkin]

That is quite unhinged.

I wonder if he’s genuinely attempting to goad Biden back into running.

I doubt it. Not when the plan all along was for him to step down and Harris to take over...

 

[lasvegan]

interesting bit of perspective. I'd say many posting on here are moderate centerists and liberal (in the real sense of the word) and that you are quite right of centre.

Of course, the US "left wing" (democratic) party are barely centrist themselves, from a European perspective. So maybe calibration is your issue when judging the rest of us (and ours judging you?)

I think you make a couple of good points, it could just be a matter of perspective.

I see myself as an average American (I have been a citizen now for 25 years) who wants nothing but the best for my wife, kids and grandkids to live as freely as possible, with as little government interference as possible. The American dream if you like. People on here think of me as a fascist.

You think of the Democratic Party as centrists, while I see them leaning far left (which they are). There are people on here that are socialists, communists, etc., certainly no fascists, but maybe most posters are much more centrist than we give each other credit for.

 

[lasvegan]

I doubt it. Not when the plan all along was for him to step down and Harris to take over...

That wasn’t Biden’s plan though was it, he was ousted by the party elites.

 

[lasvegan]

Indeed.

'What are you doing? '
'This lady fell over, I'm just helping her get up'
'Commie bastard!'

Ridiculous comment.

 

[lasvegan]

I wonder what *hilarious* nickname Trump will come up with for him...

Are there any more “hilarious” nicknames for Trump you can come up with…

 

[lasvegan]

The doddery only fool is running scared. Asking for a debate on Fox is just embarrassing.

Or how about a debate on CNN, with a network and moderators who despise him? Who won that one? I think she’s the one who is running scared.

 

[lasvegan]

Wasn't it Trump who made the decision to withdraw from Afghanistan, starting an absolute shit show?

Biden didn’t disagree though did he, he went all in, including giving up all weapons and an air base. Who’s shit show was it?

 

[Peteinblack]

I think you make a couple of good points, it could just be a matter of perspective.

I see myself as an average American (I have been a citizen now for 25 years) who wants nothing but the best for my wife, kids and grandkids to live as freely as possible, with as little government interference as possible. The American dream if you like. People on here think of me as a fascist.

You think of the Democratic Party as centrists, while I see them leaning far left (which they are). There are people on here that are socialists, communists, etc., certainly no fascists, but maybe most posters are much more centrist than we give each other credit for.

Yet freedom-loving, anti-State, Republicans are banning abortion (what about women's freedom to live their lives without State interference?), banning books from some school libraries (because they don't like the 'political' content, such as the literary classic To Kill a Mocking Bird), and, in some States, blocking adults from accessing 'Adult Entertainment' websites (because the Right seem to have weird hang-ups about sex, which they masquerade as morality) - the State monitoring/banning what adults watch in the privacy of their own bedroom.

Like the Hard Right over here, you Republicans want freedom for yourselves, but restrictions and diktats imposed on other people to compel them to live according your beliefs and values. People free as long as they conform - how is that different to Communism?

You Republicans, like British Right-wingers, talk libertarian, but act authoritarian; you keep pointing and shouting at 'the radical Left' to divert people's attention away from your own creeping State control over people's choices and lifestyles.

 

[Greg Bobkin]

That wasn’t Biden’s plan though was it, he was ousted by the party elites.

Yes, I know. I was being sarcastic.

 

[Greg Bobkin]

Are there any more “hilarious” nicknames for Trump you can come up with…

Er, no? I used to refer to him as Trumpo but I haven't done that for ages. I now just think he's a very odd old man who talks a lot of shit and tells the same old stories to his audiences

 

[rogersix]

Eh what age is 33?

why so bitter, so young?

 

[rogersix]

Read it was the DNC young hamas supporters that scuppered Shapiro. de jewed? Wtf?

source?