[Politics] The 2024 US Election - Trump v Harris

[FamilyGuy]

Live updates: Trump has some immunity from prosecution, Supreme Court rules

The decision means the January 6 case will return to a lower court, likely further delaying the former president's election interference trial.

www.bbc.co.uk

The US Supreme Court rules former presidents are entitled to absolute immunity from prosecution for official acts taken while in office.

Laughable!!!

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Looks likely that Trump is going to get away with virtually every misdemeanour, crime and lie. SCOTUS have ruled that he is immune from virtually anything he did while in office and, if he wins office again, he can do whatever he wants.

Could this be the beginning of the end for the US? Civil War #2 ?

No is the short answer.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

No you replace him with Michelle Obama

Can one of our friends in the states indicate if she's actually popular?

Wouldn't that also play into Trumps hands?

I don't know what the answer is, but I'm sure sure the wife of an ex president and friend of Biden is it.

 

[vegster]

No is the short answer.

I think it is, extremely partisan Senate and House. Right wing loaded SCOTUS that will defend Trump or give him a pass for almost anything he does.

Biden is past it but would govern much better due to ability to take advice and defer to experts.

Trump is past it to but will think he can do what he likes...and, act like an 80 year old baby. Truly scary.

 

[Zeberdi]

judgment looks like a fudge, a roadbump for current or future cases. you first have to determine if an action was made in official or unoffical capacity. it should be fairly obvious when that applies, those actions in execution of the office. asking a governor to break the law on votes is probably not an official, but a DA and judge have to dance around that for months.

Quite

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

I think it is, extremely partisan Senate and House. Right wing loaded SCOTUS that will defend Trump or give him a pass for almost anything he does.

Biden is past it but would govern much better due to ability to take advice and defer to experts.

Trump is past it to but will think he can do what he likes...and, act like an 80 year old baby. Truly scary.

There won't be civil war, won't even be close to being civil war.

If Trump wins there will be moaning and frowning and then life will go on for 95 percent of people in the USA, people have better things to worry about.

 

[BBassic]

It's pretty astonishing that a man who hosted a reality TV show has made such an impact on the legality of the most powerful office on the planet.

 

[Zeberdi]

Just an utter, utter mess from the Democrats.
If they'd just not even mentioned the word 'Trump' since the day of Biden's inauguration, I think all would be safe.

They've given Trump a bigger platform and loudspeaker than he had before.

The DoJ, has brought various criminal charges against Trump on evidentiary grounds and his indictments coming from Grand Jury recommendations not the recommendation of Joe Biden - and he was convicted by a trial jury in the Stormy Daniels case - unless the Trump’s defence lawyers have used their voir dires to flood juries with biased Democratic supporters (which would be ridiculous) then any Jury will consist of jurors representing both sides of the political divide selected in equal part by Defence and Prosecution lawyers.

If the DoJ is so rigged by the Democrats and it was impossible for Trump to get a fair trial in Democratic New York, then why was Hunter Biden convicted by a jury in Delaware, a strongly Democratic State?

It is not the Democrats trying to politicise Trump’s criminal conviction or weaponise the DoJ and SCOTUS to shield him from legal jeopardy.

 

[StonehamPark]

The DoJ, has brought various criminal charges against Trump on evidentiary grounds and his indictments coming from Grand Jury recommendations not the recommendation of Joe Biden - and he was convicted by a trial jury in the Stormy Daniels case - unless the Trump’s defence lawyers have used their voir dires to flood juries with biased Democratic supporters (which would be ridiculous) then any Jury will consist of jurors representing both sides of the political divide selected in equal part by Defence and Prosecution lawyers.

If the DoJ is so rigged by the Democrats and it was impossible for Trump to get a fair trial in Democratic New York, then why was Hunter Biden convicted by a jury in Delaware, a strongly Democratic State?

It is not the Democrats trying to politicise Trump’s criminal conviction or weaponise the DoJ and SCOTUS to shield him from legal jeopardy.

 

[Zeberdi]

Clearly not capable of sensible debate.

Interesting that with the majority of posters expressing views similar to mine on this thread, I am the only one you chose to respond like this to - I’ll remove you from my talk list.

 

[StonehamPark]

Clearly not capable of sensible debate.

I’ll remove you from my talk list.

I replied with the confused meme because your reply to me went way off on a tangent that I hadn’t even referenced.

Don’t be so sensitive.

 

[Zeberdi]

I replied with the confused meme because your reply to me went way off on a tangent that I hadn’t even referenced.

Don’t be so sensitive.

I wasn’t being sensitive- just don’t see the point of debating an issue with anyone that just posts gifs in a dismissive response.

My post was in direct reference to your implication that today’s SCOTUS ruling and Trump doing well in the polls because of his criminal conviction and other indictments, was down to the Democrats.

Just an utter, utter mess from the Democrats.
If they'd just not even mentioned the word 'Trump' since the day of Biden's inauguration, I think all would be safe.

That’s a view based on the premise that the Democrats have been responsible for pursuing Trump through the courts which is also the line Trump and MAGA take. I just disagree with it on factual grounds. It is the DoJ alone and Grand Jury deliberations that is the reason Trump is facing criminal charges (and obviously evidence gathered that points to his wrong-doing) - to believe otherwise, is to believe Trump‘s claims of being a victim of a witch-hunt which is what he wants people to beleive..

Yes, Trump has clearly benefitted from a backlash of support among Republicans in response to all these court cases but there’s no evidence that has eaten into swing voters or swung the vote away from the Dems which is what matters. Nor is there any evidence that the Democrats have rigged the DoJ to convict Trump or rigged Grand Juries to make them indict him.

 

[Curious Orange]

Of course, you have to wonder what official acts President Biden could now do if he were so minded...

 

[StonehamPark]

I wasn’t being sensitive- just don’t see the point of debating an issue with anyone that just posts gifs in a dismissive response.

My post was in direct reference to your implication that today’s SCOTUS ruling and Trump doing well in the polls because of his criminal conviction and other indictments, was down to the Democrats.


That’s a view based on the premise that the Democrats have been responsible for pursuing Trump through the courts which is also the line Trump and MAGA take. I just disagree with it on factual grounds. It is the DoJ alone and Grand Jury deliberations that is the reason Trump is facing criminal charges (and obviously evidence gathered that points to his wrong-doing) - to believe otherwise, is to believe Trump‘s claims of being a victim of a witch-hunt which is what he wants people to beleive..

Yes, Trump has clearly benefitted from a backlash of support among Republicans in response to all these court cases but there’s no evidence that has eaten into swing voters or swung the vote away from the Dems which is what matters. Nor is there any evidence that the Democrats have rigged the DoJ to convict Trump or rigged Grand Juries to make them indict him.

A load more waffle. My post had nothing to do with today's ruling, and wasn't in reply to anyone at all.
It was just a post, it wasn't that deep.

And again, there's no need to be sensitive; "I am the only one you chose to respond like this to", there was no need to take it so personally.
I follow everyone's opinion with interest, and have no real care what they think, or how they vote (politically) one way or the other.

 

[Zeberdi]

A load more waffle. My post had nothing to do with today's ruling, and wasn't in reply to anyone at all.
It was just a post, it wasn't that deep.

And again, there's no need to be sensitive; "I am the only one you chose to respond like this to", there was no need to take it so personally.
I follow everyone's opinion with interest, and have no real care what they think, or how they vote (politically) one way or the other.

Stop accusing me of being sensitive ffs. You can’t be rude to people (as you have been again in referring to my posts as “a load of waffle” but then gaslight me and accuse me of being sensitive when I point out you are being rude - that’s not how it works.

I simply disagree with your POV that Trump’s popularity is because the Democrats have made an “utter utter mess of things” that’s all. (With the exception of chosing Biden in the Primaries as I said above).


CBA. TBH.

 

[StonehamPark]

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CBA.

 

[Zeberdi]

 

[Pevenseagull]

the majority of the supreme court

3 appointed by Bush (including Clarence Thomas, who is a greedy idiot)
3 appointed by Trump (including Brewskis Kavanaugh)

1 by Clinton
1 by Obama
1 by Biden

vote in favour of it not being a criminal act if you were president when you did it.


well sheeeeeeet

 

[nicko31]

US is currently a flawed democracy, heading fast toward a failed one

 

[schmunk]

the majority of the supreme court

3 appointed by Bush (including Clarence Thomas, who is a greedy idiot)
3 appointed by Trump (including Brewskis Kavanaugh)

1 by Clinton
1 by Obama
1 by Biden

vote in favour of it not being a criminal act if you were president when you did it.


well sheeeeeeet

This is well worth a watch, particularly re Clarence Thomas:




(apols if fixtures)