Thatcher to be given a state funeral

[1066familyman]

Jesus. I am talking about families that mass produce children when they can ill afford to and the eventual burden on society. I am not suggesting that we have a one child policy. Let's not get confused here. Do you think it is acceptable that a family have 4, 5 or 6 children, reap in benefits for said children and rely on the state to provide housing benefits for their small army?

I am not saying that the current housing make-up is perfect, far from it, I was merely commenting one of possible reasons of selling off a large proportion of the housing stock. Look at Brighton & Hove Council, they have a huge shortfall in finance to bring their council houses up to an acceptable standard. They were keen to transfer ownership to a Housing Association, but the residents voted against it. What can they do?

Quite right not to call them a Labour party. They are the love child of many parties and have had a crack at it during a period of ascendency with foundations laid before the smary Blair and Brown set foot in Downing Street. The sooner they are out the better and perhaps we as a nation can take a bit more personal responsibility for our futures as opposed to relying so heavily on the state.

We obviously have a fundamental difference of opinion regarding children. You regard children born to parents who have to claim some form of 'benefit' (a very high percentage of parents today btw) as a "burden on society". Personally I consider all children, regardless of what social class they happen to be born into, as a future asset to society. I think you'll also find that despite the media hysteria around immigration the population of Western Europe is in decline due to the decline in the birth rate. I'm doing my bit though ; GOD willing, number four on the way next month :yahoo:

The shortfall local authorities have regarding council housing is surely ultimately due to lack of funding and support from central government ? Back to our point on 'New' Labour again, and we don't disagree there, so no need to labour the point.

In conclusion though.....Thatcher was/is an evil bitch IMHO. I won't dance on her grave though because two wrongs will never ever make a right.

 

[Mr Blunt]

Do you people not remember the state of Britain in the 1970s?

Paddling through rubbish, bodies unburied, strikes, power cuts, spiralling inflation, limited working weeks, abysmal production, etc.

Thank God she gripped the nation and pulled it back into some shape.

Her Employment Acts reshaped working conditions and tipped the balance of power away from the unions who seemed intent on bringing the country to its knees.

Her handling of the Falklands War actually made the Soviet Union watch carefully as it realised the West (in the form of Britain) had a genuine political will, conviction and, most importantly, the hardware to fight a war independently 8,000 miles from its homebase.

It was a contributory factor to the end of the Cold War.

Home ownership, economic stability and growth, essential transition from a manufacturing economy to a service based economy as befits a developed country. We'd have reverted to an agricultural economy if she hadn't exercised her customary vision and leadership.

Privatised firms such as BT are now global players - you couldn't even find a working payphone pre-1979!

Ask yourself why ours is now one of the strongest economy in the world (and don't be deceived into thinking it was Gordon Brown's doing! although he's doing his best to f*** it up!).

Incidentally, try comparing her straight-forward, brutally honest style with that of today's government. Do you think she would have our bobbies spending all day on their arses typing up reports while all this crime is going on. She would have got them out there breaking a few heads ( which has been sadly lacking for years now). Or the asylum shambles. The first thing she would do is rip up the criminals charter..sorry, i mean the Human Rights Act and put a bit of pride back into this country

I'm proud to be one of Thatcher's children.

 

[Barrel of Fun]

We obviously have a fundamental difference of opinion regarding children. You regard children born to parents who have to claim some form of 'benefit' (a very high percentage of parents today btw) as a "burden on society". Personally I consider all children, regardless of what social class they happen to be born into, as a future asset to society. I think you'll also find that despite the media hysteria around immigration the population of Western Europe is in decline due to the decline in the birth rate. I'm doing my bit though ; GOD willing, number four on the way next month :yahoo:

Congratulations.

I do stand by my point. I do not think that it is fair on society for people to mass produce for the sake of collecting children. I am talking about extreme cases where people can't afford to look after them financially and rely on the state. Why should society have to foot the bill for someone to have a four bed house simply because they are not able/willing to use contraception. I am not just talking about child benefit. I am talking about housing benefit, the strain on the NHS, schooling and so on. Not forgetting to mention that Britain has a huge lead over our European counterparts for teenage pregnancies.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

I presume Thatcher's estate will pay for her state funeral then? We wouldnt expect her to ponce of the tax payer would we.

 

[1066familyman]

I always marvel at the sheer cheek of the public utilities sell off.

It's a bit like looking after a mates house while they go away on holiday. While he's away you advertise all his prized possesions in the friday ad, without consulting him first. Better still, you use his money to pay for the advertising ( just ask Sid ). When he comes back you give him back the pittance you got for it all, minus the cost of advertising of course, and tell him, it's for the best in the long run.

Bloody genius !

 

[1066familyman]

Congratulations.

I do stand by my point. I do not think that it is fair on society for people to mass produce for the sake of collecting children. I am talking about extreme cases where people can't afford to look after them financially and rely on the state. Why should society have to foot the bill for someone to have a four bed house simply because they are not able/willing to use contraception. I am not just talking about child benefit. I am talking about housing benefit, the strain on the NHS, schooling and so on. Not forgetting to mention that Britain has a huge lead over our European counterparts for teenage pregnancies.

Thanks for the congrats.

Don't think we'll agree on the issues here though.

 

[Race]

the jeremy kyle generation:-f***ing spongers

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

like i said EXACTLY what deregulation ?

Look Bushy. I dont really have the time or the inclination to trawl the internet to find the exact details of a piece of legislation from almost 30 years ago.

It is fairly common knowledge that she relaxed lending criteria to, amongst other things, enable her great council house sell off. I sincerely hope you are not in the financial services. If you are then may I suggest your resign immediately as your lack of knowledge is shocking and you are therefore part of the current problem. If you are not then go and find it yourself. You will find plenty of reference to it....but as for the exact mechanism or sections numbers I cannot tell you....or be arsed to look for it.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

the jeremy kyle generation:-f***ing spongers

The Jeremy Kyle Generation: footballer's wives talking rubbish.

 

[Gully]

The passing of Thatcher will present a great dilemma to a large number of people, which to do first...dance or piss?

 

[Race]

get your f***ing self out of hove every now and again and you might see what a shit pit the rest of the country's in!

 

[1066familyman]

Can we afford to continue to prop up private landlords/ladies ?

What about the Housing Benefit that millions receive so they can afford to rent in the private sector seeing as there isn't enough council housing ?

State subsides for the buy to let brigade, surely ?

Oh, but that's ok I suppose, because people who buy to let are 'entrepreneurs', and entrepreneurs are good people aren't they ?


Whereas council house tenants............

...........spend all day watching Jeremy Kyle and swear a lot.

Isn't that right Race ?

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

get your f***ing self out of hove every now and again and you might see what a shit pit the rest of the country's in!

Are you refering to me? If so I am well travelled thank you. I've lived outside of Hove for long periods and also lived abroad.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

get your f***ing self out of hove every now and again and you might see what a shit pit the rest of the country's in!

I do not dispute the country is in a very poor state. A lot of it is down to the muppets who live here. You can say all you like about Tories and Labour but at some point the people have to take responsibility for their own actions.

 

[Tom Bombadil]

get your f***ing self out of hove every now and again and you might see what a shit pit the rest of the country's in!

I was in Dorset the other week. My God the deprivation, the humanity. Some of those poor people in Dorchester - can hardly afford to run a second car what with all the taxes this socialist thieving govt is putting on 4x4s.
To see couples reduced to sharing a BMW, well it made me cry.

 

[Trufflehound]

Back in the good old days a bonfire was good enough for witches... and you didn't have to wait for them to die first either.


And who repealed that law? I bet it was a Labour government - bastards.

 

[Tom Bombadil]

Back in the good old days a bonfire was good enough for witches... and you didn't have to wait for them to die first either.


And who repealed that law? I bet it was a Labour government - bastards.

It's political correctness gone mad!!!

 

[Buttinhams]

Baaaaaaaaaaaa, Baaaaaaaaaaa, and thrice Baaaaaaaaaaa!!!

 

[Eggmundo]

When she does finally go can we all agree to just meet up and punch it out as opposed to endless anti/pro Thatcher threads.

Obviously I won't be attending as I have a bad leg.

 

[coventrygull]

I was in Dorset the other week. My God the deprivation, the humanity. Some of those poor people in Dorchester - can hardly afford to run a second car what with all the taxes this socialist thieving govt is putting on 4x4s.
To see couples reduced to sharing a BMW, well it made me cry.

Well you won't see much of that in dear old Cov. This city is getting worse by the day. If the recession hits big time god help us all. Thatchers free market dream with her thatcherite cronies Tony and Gordon is coming to an end as it always was. Thatcher the greatest con artist of all time