Smoking ban - something I didn't consider!

[bhaexpress]

They tried that in Hong Kong and the pubs with a non smoking policy had the majority of people on the pavement, non smokers wanted to talk to their mates and it wasnt long before everyone was buying beers at 7eleven to drink outside the non smoking pub!

I was in Dublin last year, the smoking ban there which has been in force for a while didn't seem to discourage drinkers.

 

[cannedheat]

I went to a pub tonight, the first time since the ban came in.

As a smoker, i was made to leave my drink at the door, unattended and within easy access of anyone. (have had my drink spiked before so not happy to do this, even with a friend), i was outside alone and I had three guys walk past either giving me looks or comments - I felt very unsafe. This coupled with the fact that i had no idea what had happend to my drink (I got another as soon as i got back in the bar and left the previous one) made me feel very unsafe. But hey, as long as its only a few women a night, per pub being scared 0r raped, thats ok hey

I can easly solve your problem, dont leave your drink unattended and don't go outside for a smoke, there you go sorted.

 

[Fran Hagarty]

I do love the people that say "if you don't like the smell of smoke, don't go the pub". You just assume that because it is a pub it HAS to have people smoking in it. Has it ever occured to these people that non smokers like to go to a pub and enjoy a night out and not come back smelling like you have just rolled around in an ash tray?

As well as your clothes being impregnated with the smell, there's the coughing it induces and the smarting of the eyes - it's particularly not fun when you wear contact lenses!

As a non smoker, the ban suits me, but, obviously, it's an inconvenience to smokers and is obviously a problem when smokers and non smokers want to socialise together.

It does infringe people's liberties but, in the same way, non smokers have the right not to have to endure something that they have chosen, for health reasons or otherwise, not to partake in. Unfortunately it is not possible to keep everybody happy.

 

[Collar Feeler]

I'm more than capable of making my own mind up about whether I deem something to be good or bad for me thank you very much. I don't need some sandle wearing tofu eating one legged lesbian at Westminster making my mind up for me.
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A lot of Heroin and crack cocaine addicts say the same thing to me regularly and that kills them too. Am I comparing Tobacco to Heroin and Crack? Damn right I am, the diseases and deaths it causes destroy more lives than the other two many times over.

 

[tedebear]

This strips the right of the STAFF in the pub/club to choose, which is the entire point of the ban. Its not banning smoking in pubs - its banning it in all workplaces; and a pub is a workplace. You support banning it in workplaces, ergo you support banning it in pubs/clubs; or you don't support banning it at all.

How is that logic so hard to understand?

No - I think you missed my point. The landlord had the right to choose - so does the employee - but now the government has taken that right away. I don't understand why its so difficult for the choice to remain, you wish to work or drink in a smoking pub - then you should have that choice available - you wish to work or drink in a non-smoking pub then that choice should be available too?? Why is that logic so hard to understand....

 

[Beach Hut]

No - I think you missed my point. The landlord had the right to choose - so does the employee - but now the government has taken that right away. I don't understand why its so difficult for the choice to remain, you wish to work or drink in a smoking pub - then you should have that choice available - you wish to work or drink in a non-smoking pub then that choice should be available too?? Why is that logic so hard to understand....

It is quite easy as well as we had smoking and non-smoking pubs in Shoreham before the ban.

 

[tedebear]

It is quite easy as well as we had smoking and non-smoking pubs in Shoreham before the ban.

I know - the Crown and Anchor is pretty good now - I like it especially the smoke free part - but I'm not sure why we couldn't have both types?

 

[cannedheat]

Here is a message for all you smokers out there, whatever reason you give us non smokers for smoking we will discredit it, end of.

 

[tedebear]

Here is a message for all you smokers out there, whatever reason you give us non smokers for smoking we will discredit it, end of.

I understand that - completely, but where is the respect in that? You haven't thought through the implications of people losing the choice to do something or not....have you really?

 

[bhaexpress]

I understand that - completely, but where is the respect in that? You haven't thought through the implications of people losing the choice to do something or not....have you really?

Actually, you do have a point, it's like those nasty busy bodies that forced us to wear seat belts. Damn, the next thing you know they'll ban children from going up chimneys

 

[cannedheat]

I understand that - completely, but where is the respect in that? You haven't thought through the implications of people losing the choice to do something or not....have you really?

Do I have a choice when I have to contribute towards there medical treatment when they become ill with a self inflicted smoking related illness.

 

[tedebear]

Actually, you do have a point, it's like those nasty busy bodies that forced us to wear seat belts. Damn, the next thing you know they'll ban children from going up chimneys

ha! The seatbelt law is for daft parents who forget that they are responsible for their childs safety....

I believe as adults we have the right (within the law) to do whatever we want, whether its bad for us or good for us...it matters neither (if its good or bad) as we have the right to chose ourselves. We also have the right to chose to go somewhere if we know that the smokikng will bother us....We have now lost that right...and I feel its sad...

 

[tedebear]

Do I have a choice when I have to contribute towards there medical treatment when they become ill with a self inflicted smoking related illness.

Thats a different matter, kind of like George Best isn't it....difficult one - but I see your point and I don't know what the answer is there....yes maybe they should be not necessarily denied treatment but maybe asked to pay for it - if it can be 100% agreed that it was smoking or whatever...because you then get into the grey area of non-smokers with lung cancer (which is common) etc...difficult one...

 

[Goodfella]

Up until 2000 i was a smoker, but NEVER smoked in restaurants or places where there were kids, or groups of people that didn't smoke, as i didn't want to subject them to someone elses BAD habit. Unfortunately there are too many selfish people out there that dont give a shit, but now they have to, i for one think this country will be a much better place for it.

I also know lots of people who are determined to give up due to the ban, so surely that can only be a good thing.

 

[Yorkie]

Thats a different matter, kind of like George Best isn't it....difficult one - but I see your point and I don't know what the answer is there....yes maybe they should be not necessarily denied treatment but maybe asked to pay for it - if it can be 100% agreed that it was smoking or whatever...because you then get into the grey area of non-smokers with lung cancer (which is common) etc...difficult one...

Or people like my Dad who, when he was in the Navy, was given 200 cigarettes a month from the government as part of his wages?
All those over 75 were told smoking was good for you. It calmed the nerves.

 

[tedebear]

Or people like my Dad who, when he was in the Navy, was given 200 cigarettes a month from the government as part of his wages?
All those over 75 were told smoking was good for you. It calmed the nerves.

Yes quite! My grandfather was as well...thats why its difficult, he died of pneumonia at 85 but they said he also had emphasemia (sp.?) so should he be denied treatment? No...

 

[dougdeep]

Unfortunately there are too many selfish people out there that dont give a shit, but now they have to. I for one think this country will be a much better place for it.

NAIL ON HEAD!

 

[1959]

A lot of Heroin and crack cocaine addicts say the same thing to me regularly and that kills them too. Am I comparing Tobacco to Heroin and Crack? Damn right I am, the diseases and deaths it causes destroy more lives than the other two many times over.

That's true, but still nowhere near as many deaths, injuries, destroyed families and destruction as that caused by alcohol. And even alcohol is a pathetic part-timer compared with the motor car.

 

[cjd]

Do I have a choice when I have to contribute towards there medical treatment when they become ill with a self inflicted smoking related illness.

Do I have a choice (as a smoker) in contributing to the additional (on average) extra 15 years state pension you will receive, the hip replacement ops you,ll need, the cataract removal ops, the constant draining of Gp,s time, the "free" prescriptions you,ll constantly need, the 2-3 years stay in a Care-home before your heart finally joins the rest of your body in giving up,hearing aids,.............and finally of course, the last 6 weeks of your life which costs the NHS huge amounts of money, whether you smoke or not....?

Oh....and by the way.......I,m against the freedom of choice I,m losing.................but I have no real arguments about smoking in enclosed public areas, restaurants, pubs, etc etc.........
I really do know that smoking is bad for you.................I just happen to enjoy it.

 

[cannedheat]

Do I have a choice (as a smoker) in contributing to the additional (on average) extra 15 years state pension you will receive, the hip replacement ops you,ll need, the cataract removal ops, the constant draining of Gp,s time, the "free" prescriptions you,ll constantly need, the 2-3 years stay in a Care-home before your heart finally joins the rest of your body in giving up,hearing aids,.............and finally of course, the last 6 weeks of your life which costs the NHS huge amounts of money, whether you smoke or not....?

Oh....and by the way.......I,m against the freedom of choice I,m losing.................but I have no real arguments about smoking in enclosed public areas, restaurants, pubs, etc etc.........
I really do know that smoking is bad for you.................I just happen to enjoy it.

Bad post there fag ash breath.