Safeways - Job Application Form.

[HampshireSeagulls]

Oh for fook's sake.

Are you honestly telling me that the white people of this country are going to rise up and be massively offended by a few little words on a Safeway application form? (which they have to have in these days, not to enable them to select employees, but to make sure the people making the decisions to hire/fire aren't discriminating)?

That the majority population of Britain are going to be in floods of tears because they think they might struggle to get a job filling up display units with Werthers Originals and McVities Hobnobs?

FFS, find something important to worry about, Oceanic, rather than trawling randomly through millions of trivial forms in order to make an utterly lame and irrelevant political point.

As if you'd even want a job in Safeway's (in fact you're probably one of those who thinks jobs like that are only good enough for immigrants anyway, yet have the nerve to squeal if you think white people are discriminated against). You tool.

I got turned down by ASDA. And B&Q. Overqualified. All I want to do is stack shelves part time whilst I study next year.

I think the problem with the BNP is that they present the information so poorly, and focus on the silly little things rather than bigger issues, and they should be approaching problems from a standpoint that is not race/religion based. Granted, a build up of smaller things leads to a situation that is hard to walk back from, but their message is always tainted by the image of shaven-headed skinheads in combat boots, even if they are no longer the mainstay of the party. It's hard for any smaller party to be taken seriously when they don't have the financial and media resources of the Labour Party, and can be spun out of contention.

 

[Tom Bombadil]

I think the problem with the BNP is that they present the information so poorly, and focus on the silly little things rather than bigger issues, and they should be approaching problems from a standpoint that is not race/religion based.

I thought the problem with the BNP is they're small minded bigots, hence the tendency to "focus on silly little things"

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Poor old BNP don't know whether they're coming or going now that the latest wave of economic migrants look more like the Aryan master race than they do

 

[HampshireSeagulls]

I thought the problem with the BNP is they're small minded bigots, hence the tendency to "focus on silly little things"

Not strictly true. Classifying them all as "small minded bigots" is dangerous in that it makes them almost amusing or comical. There is, more than ever, a need to take these fringe groups seriously. Taking the mickey and deriding them does not effectively challenge them - it still enables them to recruit from the most disaffected who are unable to see coherent arguments against their messages. Rather than simply writing them off as "nutters" means that those who are most susceptible do not understand why their arguments are not valid, or properly presented or thought out - they simply see the overarching argument which appeals to nationalism, isolationism and a better life for the (allegedly) indigenous race of this country.

Oceanic has the ability to put his message up here, and we have the ability to either mock him, or to point out the error in his statements. If you mock him, then you are not countering his points or giving an opposing view.

 

[The British National Party]

Oh for fook's sake.

Are you honestly telling me that the white people of this country are going to rise up and be massively offended by a few little words on a Safeway application form? (which they have to have in these days, not to enable them to select employees, but to make sure the people making the decisions to hire/fire aren't discriminating)?

That the majority population of Britain are going to be in floods of tears because they think they might struggle to get a job filling up display units with Werthers Originals and McVities Hobnobs?

FFS, find something important to worry about, Oceanic, rather than trawling randomly through millions of trivial forms in order to make an utterly lame and irrelevant political point.

As if you'd even want a job in Safeway's (in fact you're probably one of those who thinks jobs like that are only good enough for immigrants anyway, yet have the nerve to squeal if you think white people are discriminated against). You tool.

White Britain’s can't even get a job for their local councils or any government departments, Even the contractors applying for contracts at the Olympics sites need more ethnic minorities than white British otherwise they’ll not get the contract.

You're the tool and only believe what you want to see and hear, take those blinkers off and better still, stay in the kitchen where you belong.

So this isn't racist against white British people then, and this is the standard policy with the Labour party but I wondered what would be said if it was reversed.

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A university graduate has been denied a council post because he is white. 23 year old Kieron Keenan was told he could not apply for a research post at Brighton Museum because he is not of African, Afro/Caribbean, Asian or Chinese descent.

Legislation exists which allows employers to bar indigenous white Britons just so they can fill arbitrary drawn up quotas and owners of the museum Brighton and Hove City Council applied that part of the Race Relations Act. That this is in itself discriminatory holds no weight with the anti white racists on the council.

Mr Keenan, 23, said: "It's astonishing. In order to be seen to be less discriminatory towards ethnic groups the council has used a law which is blatantly discriminatory against another ethnic group.

"I am perfectly qualified to do the job but I am barred by the colour of my skin."

 

[The Large One]

White Britain’s can't even get a job for their local councils or any government departments, Even the contractors applying for contracts at the Olympics sites need more ethnic minorities than white British otherwise they’ll not get the contract.

Liar.

 

[Dandyman]

I got turned down by ASDA. And B&Q. Overqualified. All I want to do is stack shelves part time whilst I study next year.

I think the problem with the BNP is that they present the information so poorly, and focus on the silly little things rather than bigger issues, and they should be approaching problems from a standpoint that is not race/religion based. Granted, a build up of smaller things leads to a situation that is hard to walk back from, but their message is always tainted by the image of shaven-headed skinheads in combat boots, even if they are no longer the mainstay of the party. It's hard for any smaller party to be taken seriously when they don't have the financial and media resources of the Labour Party, and can be spun out of contention.

It's hard for them to be taken as a respectable party when they are lead by a Holocaust denier and are populated by people with serious criminal convictions and records as racist scumbags.

There is an issue about their attraction to people that have been abandoned by New Labour but that should be addressed by focusing on real issues like jobs, schools, the NHS, etc rather than accepting their red herring rhetoric about asylum or the evils of Islam (BTW Hants, I'm not suggesting that you are accepting that rather that we should not allow fascists to set the agenda for the rest of us.)

 

[Rangdo]

White Britain’s can't even get a job for their local councils or any government departments

Thats an interesting point since I know quite a few white Briton's that work for the council. Facts? Figures?

 

[HampshireSeagulls]

Regarding the "Graduate" job above:

The problem is not with the "foreigners" - it is with the white leaders of the council who feel pressured into applying equalisation of jobs across the council, in line with ethnic breakdowns across the area.

The 2001 census found that of the 247,817 people in the Brighton area, 94 percent classed themselves as white, two percent as mixed race, two percent as Asian, one percent as black and one percent as Chinese or another ethnic group.

Still, it's nice to know that the BNP have no qualms about employing part-Turk members as part of their ethnic liaison group, or employing illegal immigrants to work on their homes. Or taking funding from Ghaddafi to go and visit him, or cuddling up to the likes of Farrakhan who also espouses the need for ethnic separation.

 

[enigma]

White Britain’s can't even get a job

"White Britain's"?

How on earth can you call someone else a tool.

 

[The British National Party]

It's hard for them to be taken as a respectable party when they are lead by a Holocaust denier and are populated by people with serious criminal convictions and records as racist scumbags

And Labour are whiter than white, well that's what Tony 'dictator'Blair said in 97.

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Labour councillor arrested in drugs swoop:

Councillor bailed over 'drugs' find
Dean Kirby

ARRESTED: Asaf Ali.A LABOUR councillor has been released on police bail after officers discovered a suspected drugs haul in his car.

Officers are believed to be looking into whether drugs may have been planted on his car maliciously.

Asaf Ali, who represents the Alexandra ward on Oldham Council, was arrested on Friday after officers swooped on the car following a tip-off.

He was questioned until Saturday and then released pending further inquiries.

Police are still examining items found in the wheel-arch of the vehicle.

Mr Ali, a father of three, who lives in Brompton Street in the Glodwick area of Oldham, has been a Labour councillor for four years.

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He is due to contest his seat in the May elections.

A Greater Manchester Police spokesman said: "Following information received by police, officers attended Brompton Street, Oldham, to search a motor vehicle. Items believed to be drugs were recovered. A man has been arrested and inquiries are continuing."

He said the councillor, chairman of Oldham Council's young people and lifelong learning overview and scrutiny commission, had been released on bail.

Local Labour Party officials said Mr Ali had not been suspended and they were awaiting the outcome of the police investigation.


What's this, it can't be Labour, they are whiter than white: Labour election fraud ‘would disgrace a banana republic’

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SIX middle-aged Muslim men, all pillars of their communities, won seats on Britain’s biggest local authority in the most corrupt election campaign since the Victorian era.

Vote-riggers exploited weaknesses in the postal voting system to steal thousands of ballot papers and mark them for Labour, helping the party to take first place in elections to Birmingham City Council.

They believed that their cheating would be hidden for ever in the secrecy of the strong boxes where counted votes are stored, never suspecting that a judge would take the rare step of smashing the seals and tracing the ballots back to the voters. Election corruption has been so rare in the past 100 years that lawyers have struggled to find examples since the late 19th century, when Britain was adjusting to the novelty of universal male suffrage.

The elections last June were the dirtiest since the general election of 1895, when Sir Tankerville Chamberlayne, the Conservative candidate for Southampton, notoriously travelled by cart from pub to pub, waving and throwing sovereigns at the crowds. His election was later ruled invalid.


The Birmingham vote- riggers were more cunning than the flamboyant Sir Tankerville. They coldly exploited communities where many cannot speak English or write their names. They forced what the judge called “dishonest or frightened” postmen into handing over sacks of postal ballots. They seem to have infiltrated the mail service: several voters gave evidence that their ballot papers were altered to support Labour after they put them in the post.

Proof that votes were stolen came when Richard Mawrey, QC, the election commissioner, ordered ballot boxes to be unsealed. Unknown to most voters, ballot papers can be traced back to individuals through serial numbers. The judge was struck by how many had been amended, sometimes using correction fluid.

Voters were traced and asked if they really had voted Labour. It emerged that some had handed completed postal ballots to Labour supporters calling at their homes offering to post them. The envelopes had been opened and the papers altered, then delivered to the election office for counting.



One of the wards where corruption was rife covered Aston, an inner-city neighbourhood. This is the fiefdom of Muhammad Afzal, a city councillor for 23 years, regarded as the most powerful man in Birmingham Asian politics. At midnight two days before the election, the police stumbled on what appeared to be a vote-forging factory. Half a dozen men were discovered in a warehouse with 274 unsealed postal votes for Aston ward.

Among them were Mr Afzal and his two fellow candidates. Mohammed Kazi is a longstanding Labour officer. He is a former postman and official of the postal workers’ union but says that this is irrelevant because he left the job in 1993. Mohammed Islam is the trustee of a mosque. A handwriting expert found that Mr Islam had signed 121 voting papers using five names and six addresses.

Along Birmingham’s ring road lies a grid of terraces forming the largely Kashmiri community of Small Heath, heart of Bordesley Green ward. The most senior Labour candidate here was Shah Jahan, a former banker and, for a brief period in 1979, a postman. Mr Jahan, who was seen several times collecting ballots from a postman, received more votes than the other Labour candidates. Some forged ballots were found to contain crosses next to his name alone.

“No doubt Mr Shah Jahan considered that, having gone to the trouble to get the votes from the postman, it was only fair that he should be allowed to use them for his own benefit,” the judge said.

Ayaz Khan, a law graduate, managed the post office in Small Heath. His witness statement, not shown to the court but seen by The Times, claims that Khalid Mahmood, Labour MP for Perry Barr, “asked me to stand as a candidate”. Mr Mahmood denies this, saying: “I have not had a direct role in promoting him or anything else before his selection.”

Shafaq Ahmed, another Labour Party officer, was the third candidate. He denies a claim that he kept postal vote applications in his video shop and asked customers to sign one. The police caught him with ten sets of unused postal ballots.

The vote riggers were versed in election cheating. The basic technique is so well known that two senior Labour figures, on separate occasions, both described the same method to The Times. The first step is to consult a little-known public document called the marked register. Produced locally after every election, this shows which individuals on the electoral roll have voted.

A vote rigger notes the names of people who never seem to vote. They may be dead, living elsewhere, illiterate or apathetic. These are the people whose votes are stolen. Labour knows that postal voting is vulnerable to suspicions of fraud. Mr Mahmood’s selection for the 2001 election tore apart his constituency party when an unprecedented surge in postal voting led to suspicions that Mr Mahmood’s supporters had rigged the selection ballot.

The Labour National Executive Committee investigated but found no wrongdoing. Mr Mahmood’s majority at the general election was halved by a swing to an anti-sleaze candidate protesting against the alleged vote-rigging. Mr Mahmood said that there was no substance to any of the allegations about his selection.

Bitterness over last June’s vote rigging festers. Six supporters of the grassroots People’s Justice Party, which organised the election petition against Labour, have been arrested on suspicion of forging witness statements, which they deny.

Shah Jahan, facing ruin, believes that lessons may be learnt from the scandal. “Although I am going to suffer,” he said, “this may be a good thing for the community. The community will learn to do in Rome what the Romans do.”

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A Labour councillor who was charged with common assault last month is to face trial next year. Labour’s Cllr Tony Mabbott, who represents Milton Keynes’s “enriched” Bletchley and Fenny Stratford ward, was arrested for allegedly punching a woman outside Bletchley’s Knowles primary school in June.

Mabbott, who is a governor at the school and a former community safety officer for Woughton Parish Council, has been granted unconditional bail until the trail.

Mabbott is said to be prominent in “anti-racist” campaigning and according to Milton Keynes Council’s web site is a representative on a body calling itself the “Bangladeshi Community House Management Committee”.

 

[HampshireSeagulls]

It's hard for them to be taken as a respectable party when they are lead by a Holocaust denier and are populated by people with serious criminal convictions and records as racist scumbags.

There is an issue about their attraction to people that have been abandoned by New Labour but that should be addressed by focusing on real issues like jobs, schools, the NHS, etc rather than accepting their red herring rhetoric about asylum or the evils of Islam (BTW Hants, I'm not suggesting that you are accepting that rather that we should not allow fascists to set the agenda for the rest of us.)

It's a problem. Look at the historical equivalent (nice and easy, and I am sure that NG would love the comparison with AH!). Build a base of support based on violence and threats, and the less intelligent/easily persuaded, but plan on getting rid of them when you get seriously close to and form of power. As the BNP proved with the concillor who resigned (Daniel Kelley) because he "didn't understand any of the workings of the council", they are not actually in a position to be a credible party. However, they are in a position to recruit and agitate. They cannot be ignored because they represent people who have these feelings, and are perhaps unable to realise that there is a bigger picture - they have to understand that a simple "blacks out" statement will not suddenly make all the problems go away.

Candidates such as Luke Smith (Burnley, convicted football hooligan), Brian Turner (common assault, spousal assault) appeal to a special kind of voter, and this is where the danger lies. A violent approach to the problems is quite often an easy approach in today's society.

 

[Tom Bombadil]

Not strictly true. Classifying them all as "small minded bigots" is dangerous in that it makes them almost amusing or comical. There is, more than ever, a need to take these fringe groups seriously. Taking the mickey and deriding them does not effectively challenge them - it still enables them to recruit from the most disaffected who are unable to see coherent arguments against their messages. Rather than simply writing them off as "nutters" means that those who are most susceptible do not understand why their arguments are not valid, or properly presented or thought out - they simply see the overarching argument which appeals to nationalism, isolationism and a better life for the (allegedly) indigenous race of this country.

Oceanic has the ability to put his message up here, and we have the ability to either mock him, or to point out the error in his statements. If you mock him, then you are not countering his points or giving an opposing view.

Oh i'm sorry, I read your replies and was a little concerned about the level of common ground you found with them.
I personally think that people need to be constantly reminded that their agenda is driven by a deep seated and hugely unpleaseant racist ideology.

Mocking far right groups has an honourable and succesful history. The story of how Stetson Kennedy infiltrated the Ku Klux Klan and passed on it's secrets to the writers of the Superman radio series is an excellent illustration of how making an extremist group appear ridiculous can weaken their support among the wider community.

 

[HampshireSeagulls]

And cutting and pasting huge swathes of BNP propaganda is not the way ahead. No-one actually reads past the first couple of lines because you know how it's going to end up. It would be equally as easy to cut and paste the stories about BNP councillors, representatives and thugs, but it's ultimately a pointless exercise. People like Oceanic are not interested in a balanced view, just a view from behind their idealised Great Britain. Which has never been monoracial or monoethnic by the way!

How do the racists deal with black or asian members of the football and cricket national teams? Their argument is pointless and futile, and until they can come up with something rational and workable, they will remain on the fringes of the political world. But mocking them or ignoring them is dangerous, because that is how they build power - if they ever worked out a way to harness the chav-vote, we would be in serious shit!

 

[Tom Bombadil]

But mocking them or ignoring them is dangerous, because that is how they build power -

I disagree on both counts. In certain circumstances by actively ignoring the BNP you deprive them of the oxygen of publicity.
Additionally if you can create a situation where the BNP are widely considered to be a joke they will find it harder to build support beyond the unpleasent individuals they already attract.

 

[The British National Party]

And cutting and pasting huge swathes of BNP propaganda is not the way ahead

I was merely pointing out that Labour councillors aren't no angles themselves, and was pointing it out to Dandyman.

Originally posted by Dandyman
It's hard for them to be taken as a respectable party when they are lead by a Holocaust denier and are populated by people with serious criminal convictions and records as racist scumbags

 

[Meade's Ball]

Surely one of the BNP's main problems and welcome approaches to pig-headed ignorance is that they struggle to accept human movement and interaction of those who might be born on different land of unpopular colour. Forever mounted or hinged by the fear of 'others'. That someone else might have evil in their pocket and will therefore be a threat to our profit.
Turds.

 

[Herne Hill Seagull]

Oceanic, I can't be arsed to quote your last post because it was way too long, but I would like to know what you're hoping to achieve by posting it? Do you think that by trawling the news for articles which implicate people of ethnic minorities in wrongdoing, that by extension only such people are criminals?

Dame Shirley Porter was white, English, middle class and 'respectable', but she was as much a crook as any of the people in your post. Does that have any wider implcation for white politicians? Are all Tory Dames corrupt by extension?

And you have absolutely failed, despite several requests, to offer any back up whatsoever for your claims about the 'required' ethnic make up of Olympic project subcontractors. Are you going to do so, or would you care to withdraw the claim?

 

[Meade's Ball]

Centralised politics, the bland monetary thunder of unartistic capitalism, demands those who fail to fit in the narrowed middle may find hope in an extreme. I can see no possible change in this. Just milky stutters.

 

[Dandyman]

I was merely pointing out that Labour councillors aren't no angles themselves, and was pointing it out to Dandyman.

Which was a bit of waste as I have not voted Labour since 1997.

I suspect your real objection to "foreigners" (actually mostly your fellow citizens of a darker hue) is that they are prepared to do a days work rather than be a dole dodging scrounging little piece of forever whinging Hitler loving shite like yourself.