[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)

[The Clamp]

I wonder if the crew just thought “oh F it, let it sink and let’s go home”?

 

[Hugo Rune]

The Black Sea eh? One third of the size of the Med, was it built never to see the Atlantic?

The Russians would have you believe that the conditions are like Drake’s Passage, but……

“The water level in the Black Sea remains the same all the time because of the absence of any high or low tides. This gives the sea no fluctuation in the water level, keeping it as a calm, quiet and serene sea on the surface.”

 

[Hugo Rune]

I am amazed with modern technology that there have been no photos of the ship being hit, on fire or sinking? All I see online is library photos of the ship and fakes. Not doubting it but seems odd?

Assuming the boat was at sea. You’d need a photo from another vessel, aircraft or satellite. Where do you think the photos would have come from?

The Russians undoubtedly have plenty but they are Ukrainian propaganda gold so surely will all have been locked down.

 

[jakarta]

The Russians would have you believe that the conditions are like Drake’s Passage, but……

“The water level in the Black Sea remains the same all the time because of the absence of any high or low tides. This gives the sea no fluctuation in the water level, keeping it as a calm, quiet and serene sea on the surface.”

Unless you have had a couple of dirty great holes punched into you and you are on fire, probably not quite so serene...

 

[herecomesaregular]

Assuming the boat was at sea. You’d need a photo from another vessel, aircraft or satellite. Where do you think the photos would have come from?

The Russians undoubtedly have plenty but they are Ukrainian propaganda gold so surely will all have been locked down.

I must be assuming too much about technology, but I would have thought that once early reports came in that someone somehow might have tried to have a look.

 

[Eric the meek]

'Russian Warship, go fvck yourself (stamp)'

The Ukraine postage stamp, commemorating the soldier on Snake Island telling the now sunk Moskva to 'please go away, there's a good chap', is now on Wikipedia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Warship,_go_****_yourself_(stamp)

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

True, true...(well, many Russian people are actually decent and just want to live their lives as do Ukrainians)... true, if only their bullying ******* regime didn't have nuclear, chemical and biological weapons.

I mean, given the evidence so far there is a high chance the nukes don’t work and they will end up blowing themselves up if they tried to use them.

 

[Hugo Rune]

I must be assuming too much about technology, but I would have thought that once early reports came in that someone somehow might have tried to have a look.

Another guess from me. I imagine the Americans have all the images but releasing them would give Russia a tactical advantage because they might be able to calculate how the Americans got the images and stop them from getting them again.

Be in no doubt, there would have been champagne corks popping in the White House at the sinking of this ship which would not have been the case under the previous administration.

 

[vegster]

I mean, given the evidence so far there is a high chance the nukes don’t work and they will end up blowing themselves up if they tried to use them.

That would be reinterpreted by Russia as a sneaky " First Strike " by the West.

 

[GT49er]

I mean, given the evidence so far there is a high chance the nukes don’t work and they will end up blowing themselves up if they tried to use them.

Good idea! - let's call their bluff, eh?

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

So the hot heads on Russian TV are saying that the response to the warship exploding due to a "fire on board" and sinking due to "the weather" should be that Kyiv is bombed.

Get your propaganda stories straight Either it was the Ukrainians who sunk the ship or it wasn't.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

Assuming the boat was at sea. You’d need a photo from another vessel, aircraft or satellite. Where do you think the photos would have come from?

The Russians undoubtedly have plenty but they are Ukrainian propaganda gold so surely will all have been locked down.

I think it was too cloudy for satellite photos but there may be drone footage to come - if the drone survived or any live relay was working.

 

[Eric the meek]

So the hot heads on Russian TV are saying that the response to the warship exploding due to a "fire on board" and sinking due to "the weather" should be that Kyiv is bombed.

Get your propaganda stories straight Either it was the Ukrainians who sunk the ship or it wasn't.

Indeed. Russia's latest missiles hit the factory in Kyiv which makes anti-ship missiles. Bit of a giveaway that.

On a wider point, why do Russians get so indignant when Ukraine has the temerity to defend itself against Russia? Do they think Russia has a God-given right to invade Ukraine and that Ukraine should just roll over? It's that kind of arrogance that will lose Russia friends, assuming they have any left.

 

[Icy Gull]

So the hot heads on Russian TV are saying that the response to the warship exploding due to a "fire on board" and sinking due to "the weather" should be that Kyiv is bombed.

Get your propaganda stories straight Either it was the Ukrainians who sunk the ship or it wasn't.

Maybe they didn’t but who can blame them coming out with fake news if they didn’t, if you can’t beat them join them.

 

[The Clamp]

Russia is ****ed. If they were going to use nukes, they’d have done it by now. Well done Putin, you’ve ****ed Russia for the next 50 years.

 

[Uncle C]

If they were going to use nukes, they’d have done it by now.

And what makes you an authority?

 

[Eric the meek]

'The sinking of the Moskva is grounds for war' - a furious Russian ex-MP, Vladimir Bortko

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-61101906 at 11:06

 

[sydney]

I think the Russians accepting that it has sunk might trump any photos?

he's got a point though ....in this day and age ..? perhaps the fact that foreign drone technology was used to sink the top Russian ship might stir the hornets nest in regard to the big red button.

 

[Robinjakarta]

Indeed. Russia's latest missiles hit the factory in Kyiv which makes anti-ship missiles. Bit of a giveaway that.

On a wider point, why do Russians get so indignant when Ukraine has the temerity to defend itself against Russia? Do they think Russia has a God-given right to invade Ukraine and that Ukraine should just roll over?

Yes.

 

[drew]

he's got a point though ....in this day and age ..? perhaps the fact that foreign drone technology was used to sink the top Russian ship might stir the hornets nest in regard to the big red button.

I thought the Ukrainians were claiming it was a shore based cruise missile?