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Refinery strikes spread across UK

Refinery worker: 'British people are being put aside'
Strikes have been breaking out across the UK in support of a mass walkout by energy workers in Lincolnshire angry at the use of foreign workers.

Hundreds are gathered for the third day of the original strike at Lindsey Oil Refinery after owner Total gave a £200m contract to an Italian firm.

They have been joined by strikers in Grangemouth, in central Scotland, Aberthaw, in South Wales, and Teesside.

"Sympathy strikes... are spreading rapidly," said the BBC's Danny Savage.

Hundreds of striking workers are holding a mass meeting at the Lincolnshire refinery.

Total said there would be "no direct redundancies" at the refinery at North Killingholme as a result of the contract for the Italian company. It's been a kettle ready to boil and the lid has blown off now

Kenny, protester


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Early on Friday around 700 workers at the Grangemouth Oil Refinery walked out in solidarity with the Lincolnshire strikers.

South Wales Police are attending a protest at Aberthaw Power Station, which organisers said involved around 50 people peacefully rallying outside the main gate.

Meanwhile Cleveland Police have confirmed that around 400 demonstrators are now involved in a protest at all four gates of the former ICI complex at Wilton on Teesside.

And some unconfirmed reports have suggested that up to 200 people have gathered outside the Corus plant near Redcar.

One protester at the Lincolnshire plant, called Kenny, said British workers should have priority of access to jobs.

He said the issue was a growing one for many industries.

"It's been a kettle ready to boil and the lid has blown off now."

Total bosses said the Italian firm IREM, which employs a specialist workforce, had won the contract to construct the new HDS-3 unit at the Lindsey plant, after a tendering process.

More than 300 of the Italian firm's workers have been brought in to do the work.

'Moral indignation'

Joint leader of the Unite union, Derek Simpson, said workers felt powerless.

"You can understand the moral indignation as well as the industrial concern that people are expected to have skills, but be unemployed and watch foreign workers [be employed] who have got more privilege because they're not barred from these contracts.

"The only role that we have is to pay the electric bills from the power stations that they build. No-one can stand aside and say that that is any way justified."

In a statement, Total said: "We recognise the concerns of contractors but it is important to note that there will be no direct redundancies as a result of this contract being awarded.

"We have been a major local employer for 40 years and have always enjoyed a good relationship with our staff and contractors.

"We are disappointed they have taken this action and we hope the situation will be resolved as soon as possible and the contractors return to work."







I don't want to dismiss the workers that are on strike as xenophobic; having listened to them on radio 5 this morning that is clearly not the case. They are saying that an Italian firm has won a contract from Total and is now refusing to employ any British workers. Apparently the reason for this is that they have undercut the British firm that bid for the contract by braking an agreement on wages to be paid to workers, and are thus employing a load of Italians at below this agreed wage.

I have a lot of sympathy with the workers, as this Italian firm has clearly not followed the rules. What I can't believe is that the labour market in these industries is so protected that unions are allowed to have a say on the tendering process, by negotiating an 'acceptable' wage for the workers. Surely these firms should be able to pay their workers whatever they want; if they can get workers in, and can complete the work, for the price that they agree, what is the problem with that?
 




coventrygull

the right one
Jun 3, 2004
6,752
Bridlington Yorkshire
I have a lot of sympathy with the workers, as this Italian firm has clearly not followed the rules. What I can't believe is that the labour market in these industries is so protected that unions are allowed to have a say on the tendering process, by negotiating an 'acceptable' wage for the workers. Surely these firms should be able to pay their workers whatever they want; if they can get workers in, and can complete the work, for the price that they agree, what is the problem with that?

I am not sure what you are trying to say. Are you saying that workers should have no rights and that companies should be allowed to get in the cheapest form of labour possible.

Apologies if I misunderstood
 


I am not sure what you are trying to say. Are you saying that workers should have no rights and that companies should be allowed to get in the cheapest form of labour possible.

Apologies if I misunderstood

Yep, that's pretty much what I'm saying. I'm afraid that this thread will reveal me as a raving Tory. I don't believe in Unions and am essentially (even after everything that has happened) a free marketeer.
 


Gritt23

New member
Jul 7, 2003
14,902
Meopham, Kent.
I don't think returning to strikes does a lot for the image of the British worker.
 


coventrygull

the right one
Jun 3, 2004
6,752
Bridlington Yorkshire
Yep, that's pretty much what I'm saying. I'm afraid that this thread will reveal me as a raving Tory. I don't believe in Unions and am essentially (even after everything that has happened) a free marketeer.

Well then as a free marketeer. You will have no problem with workers where ever they are organising to kick the bosses arse.
 






What I can't believe is that the labour market in these industries is so protected that unions are allowed to have a say on the tendering process, by negotiating an 'acceptable' wage for the workers. Surely these firms should be able to pay their workers whatever they want; if they can get workers in, and can complete the work, for the price that they agree, what is the problem with that?
What about The Transfer of Undertakings (Protection of Employment) Regulations (TUPE), which preserve employees' terms and conditions when a business or undertaking, or part of one, is transferred to a new employer?
 


algie

The moaning of life
Jan 8, 2006
14,713
In rehab
They are trying to protect their jobs in a time of recession. Its about time the British Worker fought back.


Well said.The Spanish,French,Italians etc look after there own people first so why not us?
I really hope this accelerates right accross the uk in every department as possible.
 
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algie

The moaning of life
Jan 8, 2006
14,713
In rehab






Smythe

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Oct 8, 2008
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Brightonian in Manchester
What about The Transfer of Undertakings (Protection of Employment) Regulations (TUPE), which preserve employees' terms and conditions when a business or undertaking, or part of one, is transferred to a new employer?

Im just going through this now, it only applies for a set time and after that the new company can reorganize, change job titles and make redundancies if its for the "benefit" of the organization.
 


Just because an Italian firm has a contract doesn't mean that the workforce will be Italian. How many French railway workers have we seen on the trains in Sussex over the past twelve years?
 


beorhthelm

A. Virgo, Football Genius
Jul 21, 2003
35,826
step back a minute: Total, a French company, awarded an Italian company a contract. no, the workers have no right to strike over this issue. this is exactly the sort of thing that is beyond the role and purpose of unions, they shouldnt dictate company policy. do you even know if a British company tendered for the contract? are any British job at risk, seems unlikly for a specialist job. im sure there are British workers in an Italian refinary appling their specialism.
 




Gritt23

New member
Jul 7, 2003
14,902
Meopham, Kent.

Is it?

The image of the British worker is lazy, argumentative, and expensive. Whereas you can get some Poles in who will work like buggery, not complain, and be cheap and very productive.

It's an unfair image we have, but one that adding "propensity to strike" will not exactly help.

I understand what they are trying to do, but when an employer is struggling to pay the bills, how is striking going to encourage them to employ more Brits? I just don't think striking worked back in the 80's, so I see that it's going to be even less effective in these days of increased labour mobility throughout the EU.
 


supaseagull

Well-known member
Feb 19, 2004
9,614
The United Kingdom of Mile Oak
I don't believe in Unions and am essentially (even after everything that has happened) a free marketeer.


Yeah - I'm with you...Who needs the Unions and their silly ideals like a minimum wage, safety in the work place, allowing women to work and financially supporting members who've lost their jobs because of the ultra rich fat cats have f*cked up AGAIN.

And while we're at it...Why not closedown schools and make children earn a living like in the good old days when they used to be up chimneys...

Yeah - What have the Trade Unions ever done for us :censored:
 


coventrygull

the right one
Jun 3, 2004
6,752
Bridlington Yorkshire
Just because an Italian firm has a contract doesn't mean that the workforce will be Italian. How many French railway workers have we seen on the trains in Sussex over the past twelve years?

I think the Italian company were bringing in 400 Italians. I don't think the strike is sanctioned by the Unions. This is about ordinary people fighting for their jobs. What would you do if you were in the same position
 


algie

The moaning of life
Jan 8, 2006
14,713
In rehab
Jesus christ,whats the matter with some of you on here.Foreign contractors are winning contracts over here and bringing there own cheap labour over and shitting on the British worker.Brown Has caused this problem.Haven't got a problem with Foreign contractors as long as the British people get first priority for jobs and a reasonable wage.
I'm praying this is a start of something big.
 




coventrygull

the right one
Jun 3, 2004
6,752
Bridlington Yorkshire
Yeah - I'm with you...Who needs the Unions and their silly ideals like a minimum wage, safety in the work place, allowing women to work and financially supporting members who've lost their jobs because of the ultra rich fat cats have f*cked up AGAIN.

And while we're at it...Why not closedown schools and make children earn a living like in the good old days when they used to be up chimneys...

Yeah - What have the Trade Unions ever done for us :censored:

Spot on :thumbsup:
 


coventrygull

the right one
Jun 3, 2004
6,752
Bridlington Yorkshire
Jesus christ,whats the matter with some of you on here.Foreign contractors are winning contracts over here and bringing there own cheap labour over and shitting on the British worker.Brown Has caused this problem.Haven't got a problem with Foreign contractors as long as the British people get first priority for jobs and a reasonable wage.
I'm praying this is a start of something big.

I am sure they would be thinking differently if they were in the same position.
 


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