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Beach Hut said:
We'll have to agree to disagree. When double the number of expected fans turn up at any venue there will be problems no matter what systems are in place.
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We'll have to agree to disagree. When double the number of expected fans turn up at any venue there will be problems no matter what systems are in place.
Gazwag
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Former Conservative leader Michael Howard was at the game and he said: "I didn't think the match should have been held at the stadium.
"It's not a football stadium and is not equipped to cope with that number of people.
"Ticket checks were a joke. Many people with valid tickets were not allowed in.
"That is not acceptable and Uefa really need to look at their procedures and make sure everything is all in order.
"As far as I'm aware no-one was hurt, and that's a mercy, but it's no thanks to the Greek authorities, and I'm afraid there was a large measure of incompetence."
But Gaillard responded: "It is very easy to say it is not a suitable stadium, coming from the man that invented the poll tax.
Gaillard defended Uefa against any responsibility for the problems, adding: "The only responsibility we could have is that we did not choose a stadium with 250,000 seats, but unfortunately they do not exist."
Err Mr Gaillard if you actually provide decent number of tickets to fans then the problem would have been reduced somewhat.
"It's not a football stadium and is not equipped to cope with that number of people.
"Ticket checks were a joke. Many people with valid tickets were not allowed in.
"That is not acceptable and Uefa really need to look at their procedures and make sure everything is all in order.
"As far as I'm aware no-one was hurt, and that's a mercy, but it's no thanks to the Greek authorities, and I'm afraid there was a large measure of incompetence."
But Gaillard responded: "It is very easy to say it is not a suitable stadium, coming from the man that invented the poll tax.
Gaillard defended Uefa against any responsibility for the problems, adding: "The only responsibility we could have is that we did not choose a stadium with 250,000 seats, but unfortunately they do not exist."
Err Mr Gaillard if you actually provide decent number of tickets to fans then the problem would have been reduced somewhat.
NS Herald
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Gazwag said:
There always have and always will be problems with a shortage of tickets due to corporate sponsorship etc. The fact is that Milan play in an 85,000 seat stadium and it would appear that 17,000 lucky fans with tickets went to the game and NOT another 20,000 without them. Surely this tells it's own story!
pasty
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If I had no ticket, I quite genuinely would not be there.
Arthur said:
If I had no ticket, I quite genuinely would not be there.
Dave the Gaffer said:
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I'm not the sure the final of the Paint Pot Trophy would have me clambering to get through the turnstiles!
Being beered up it's impossible to say what you'd do, but if I did as a result of being pissed, I wouldn't be proud of it in the morning. Call me a boring bastard, but storming grounds just creates shit for all concerned.
Arthur said:
I'm not the sure the final of the Paint Pot Trophy would have me clambering to get through the turnstiles!
Being beered up it's impossible to say what you'd do, but if I did as a result of being pissed, I wouldn't be proud of it in the morning. Call me a boring bastard, but storming grounds just creates shit for all concerned.
Billy the Fish
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Luckily for those don't always get official tickets you are very wrong. I've got into loads of england games by turing up without a ticket and buying from touts or in the case of Slovakia, just walking in with a large crowd and jumping the turnstyle. In Northern Ireland my mates paid the turnstyle operator £20 each. Everyone knows there IS a chance, that's why people do it.Dave the Gaffer said:
Arthur
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Yes
sully said:and you have the temerity to call someone else a twat?
Yes
Lokki 7
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They did for the first cup final ever held at Wembley. 1923 I think it was. They had footage of it on BBC during the cup final build up. Tens of thousands stormed in and onto the pitch before the game. They wouldn't leave the stadium so ended up standing alongside the pitch during the game because the stands were full. Happy days.
JJ McClure
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Same old story for every major final, not enough tickets given to the two teams actually playing.
Arthur
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I was thinking more along the lines of the Sussex Senior Cup Final and by turnstile I meant Mavis and Edna's cake stall.
Which is exactly my point. Your average Joe fan would be beered up and would be go for it.
I'm sure there are a few mickeys that think what they got up to last night was a bit naughty and probably do feel slightly sorry for those who had genuine tickets and didn't get in.
Out of interest how many people who had 100% genuine tickets didn't get in? So far I've heard of one guy on TalkSport this morning.
Shizuoka Dolphin said:I'm not the sure the final of the Paint Pot Trophy would have me clambering to get through the turnstiles!
I was thinking more along the lines of the Sussex Senior Cup Final and by turnstile I meant Mavis and Edna's cake stall.
Which is exactly my point. Your average Joe fan would be beered up and would be go for it.
I'm sure there are a few mickeys that think what they got up to last night was a bit naughty and probably do feel slightly sorry for those who had genuine tickets and didn't get in.
Out of interest how many people who had 100% genuine tickets didn't get in? So far I've heard of one guy on TalkSport this morning.
sten_super
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But being beered up isn't an excuse for doing it, is it?
A minority of fans decided that they didn't care that they didn't have tickets, didn't care about the impact it would have on other people, and got into the game when they shouldn't have. While the organisation doesn't sound like it was up to much, it is fundamentally these 'fans' that caused most of the issues.
Arthur said:
But being beered up isn't an excuse for doing it, is it?
A minority of fans decided that they didn't care that they didn't have tickets, didn't care about the impact it would have on other people, and got into the game when they shouldn't have. While the organisation doesn't sound like it was up to much, it is fundamentally these 'fans' that caused most of the issues.
Richie Morris said:I did write a story last year about a big scrap in Hastings following the FA Cup final.
No such luck last night.
Where did that scrap happen...not Yate's again?
I take it you work at the Observer then Richie? If so I am just up the road from you on Castleham estate.
Dave the OAP
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But therein lies the problem.
This is not a snidy remark aimed at you per se, but if you"jumped" the barrier, then presumably if that stadium was full, then either
1) you would have caused a problem by standing/sitting in a spot that was reserved for someone who had bought a ticket legitimately
2) the very people who would have bought legitimate tickets would have been left outside and probably faced the problwems with police that liverpool and manu fans faced in the last couple of games.
3) if you had ended up in a "home area" then again if there was a police effort to remove you and you got hit with a stick or tear gassed, presumably you would have accepted that as fair game?
4) supporters who feel it necessary to break the law are the very ones that bleat on about Hillsborough and also how dreadful foreigh police are to us poor brits.
I am sorry to appear holier than thou, but apart from teh Mansfield game at the Goldstone I have never broken into a ground or travelled to an away game without a ticket where required
Billy the Fish said:
But therein lies the problem.
This is not a snidy remark aimed at you per se, but if you"jumped" the barrier, then presumably if that stadium was full, then either
1) you would have caused a problem by standing/sitting in a spot that was reserved for someone who had bought a ticket legitimately
2) the very people who would have bought legitimate tickets would have been left outside and probably faced the problwems with police that liverpool and manu fans faced in the last couple of games.
3) if you had ended up in a "home area" then again if there was a police effort to remove you and you got hit with a stick or tear gassed, presumably you would have accepted that as fair game?
4) supporters who feel it necessary to break the law are the very ones that bleat on about Hillsborough and also how dreadful foreigh police are to us poor brits.
I am sorry to appear holier than thou, but apart from teh Mansfield game at the Goldstone I have never broken into a ground or travelled to an away game without a ticket where required
Parson Henry
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Hail Prince of Hur.
So what did you do at the Mansfield game?
Dave the Gaffer said:
Hail Prince of Hur.
So what did you do at the Mansfield game?
Arthur
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I can't be arsed to argue any more.
Yes, it's a perfectly good excuse!
Well done Liverpool!
sten_super said:
I can't be arsed to argue any more.
Yes, it's a perfectly good excuse!
Well done Liverpool!
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Thank you for your opinion of me. I'd be interested to know this football culture thing. I surpose being a sth for 33 years and going all over the country watching Brighton I know f*** all.
The fact remains if no one attempted to gain access without a ticket then there would not have been a problem end of. TWAT
Arthur said:
Thank you for your opinion of me. I'd be interested to know this football culture thing. I surpose being a sth for 33 years and going all over the country watching Brighton I know f*** all.
The fact remains if no one attempted to gain access without a ticket then there would not have been a problem end of. TWAT
Dave the OAP
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hail Messala
I along with many other albion fans ( I Think it was mansfield
) broke in just before half time after boycotting the game and legged it over the east terrace and jumped into the West Stand and ended up sitting next to some lovelly old dear just in front of the directors box.
At the time I was so proud...now it just seemed a little silly
Tribune Messala said:
hail Messala
I along with many other albion fans ( I Think it was mansfield
) broke in just before half time after boycotting the game and legged it over the east terrace and jumped into the West Stand and ended up sitting next to some lovelly old dear just in front of the directors box.At the time I was so proud...now it just seemed a little silly