Raghead and a Paki

[clapham_gull]

So if white people beat up black / ethnic minority people this is a racialist attack but what about if black / ethnic minority people beat up whites ?

The motive will be considered by the prosecution service in all cases and if the attack was racially motivated then yes.

 

[The Spanish]

The motive will be considered by the prosecution service in all cases and if the attack was racially motivated then yes.

so they will do this even if the police do not categorise it when the crime is recorded, or mention it to the CPS in their report? Do they guess or something?

The legislation is not applied even handedly, and also does not cover underlying racial elements to crimes, where racism might not be the 'motive' per se, such as many teenage on teenage muggings in inner London.

The Lawrence enquiry has hamstrung the police in London, and is a significant contributing factor to the mayhem we see on the streets at the moment, while Trident has the lowest clear up rate of any specialist Met department.

Meanwhile, with the greatest of respect mate you believe cobblers like the above.

 

[clapham_gull]

so they will do this even if the police do not categorise it when the crime is recorded, or mention it to the CPS in their report? Do they guess or something?

Of course not, but people can't have it both ways suggesting blacks are responsible for crime that at the same suggesting they are not, just to fit in with the argument.

 

[The Spanish]

Of course not, but people can't have it both ways suggesting blacks are responsible for crime that at the same suggesting they are not, just to fit in with the argument.

so where does the CPS come into that?

 

[Lady Whistledown]

so they will do this even if the police do not categorise it when the crime is recorded, or mention it to the CPS in their report? Do they guess or something?

The legislation is not applied even handedly, and also does not cover underlying racial elements to crimes, where racism might not be the 'motive' per se, such as many teenage on teenage muggings in inner London.

The Lawrence enquiry has hamstrung the police in London, and is a significant contributing factor to the mayhem we see on the streets at the moment, while Trident has the lowest clear up rate of any specialist Met department.

Meanwhile, with the greatest of respect mate you believe cobblers like the above.

According to guidelines issued by the Association of Chief Police Officers, a racist incident is one that is perceived to be so by the victim, a witness or any other person, including the officer(s) investigating.

In terms of crime, the Crime & DIsorder Act of 1998 states that a racially/religiously aggravated offence is committed when, at the time of committing the offence- say an assault- or immediately before or after doing so, the offender demonstrates towards the victim hostility based on his/her membership or perceived membership of a particular racial or religious group.

The victim themself does not have to be part of that group per se, it might be that a white man gets abuse from a bunch of other white men because of his black girlfriend. That would still fall within the remit of the act.

All perceived racial incidents have to be recorded under the guidelines, as per the Stephen Lawrence Report- an officer who didn't mention in writing a job up that there was some kind of racial element would get his/her ass kicked by the powers that be.

 

[The Spanish]

According to guidelines issued by the Association of Chief Police Officers, a racist incident is one that is perceived to be so by the victim, a witness or any other person, including the officer(s) investigating.

In terms of crime, the Crime & DIsorder Act of 1998 states that a racially/religiously aggravated offence is committed when, at the time of committing the offence- say an assault- or immediately before or after doing so, the offender demonstrates towards the victim hostility based on his/her membership or perceived membership of a particular racial or religious group.

The victim themself does not have to be part of that group per se, it might be that a white man gets abuse from a bunch of other white men because of his black girlfriend. That would still fall within the remit of the act.

All perceived racial incidents have to be recorded under the guidelines, as per the Stephen Lawrence Report- an officer who didn't mention in writing a job up that there was some kind of racial element would get his/her ass kicked by the powers that be.

Cheers Edna I would not be so bold as to question your experience, but would it be fair to say that:

there are underlying racial elements to some crimes that will not stand up and/or will be dismissed by the CPS. This can and has happened.

 

[Skint Gull]

I think it's more to do if the 'recipient' is offended then it is obviously wrong. Sometimes the'offence' is taken up by the PC brigade, on their behalf, often where no offence has been caused.

Is the simple, obvious answer. Why can't the PC brigade just get over themselves

 

[Bry Nylon]

According to guidelines issued by the Association of Chief Police Officers, a racist incident is one that is perceived to be so by the victim, a witness or any other person, including the officer(s) investigating.

In terms of crime, the Crime & DIsorder Act of 1998 states that a racially/religiously aggravated offence is committed when, at the time of committing the offence- say an assault- or immediately before or after doing so, the offender demonstrates towards the victim hostility based on his/her membership or perceived membership of a particular racial or religious group.

The victim themself does not have to be part of that group per se, it might be that a white man gets abuse from a bunch of other white men because of his black girlfriend. That would still fall within the remit of the act.

All perceived racial incidents have to be recorded under the guidelines, as per the Stephen Lawrence Report- an officer who didn't mention in writing a job up that there was some kind of racial element would get his/her ass kicked by the powers that be.

Shouldn't you be out catching people who allow their dogs to foul footpaths

 

[Rookie]

Is now my favourite royal, does some proper good things fit girlfriend and these things just made me laugh is that wrong

 

[Big G]

Is the simple, obvious answer. Why can't the PC brigade just get over themselves

Sounds about right. This is what really pisses me off in situations like this when its jumped on by all and sundry who don't have anything to do with it and use it to give the "Holier than thou" speech.

Just waiting for that annoying mouthpiece from Liberty to stick her two pence worth in.

 

[Lady Whistledown]

Cheers Edna I would not be so bold as to question your experience, but would it be fair to say that:

there are underlying racial elements to some crimes that will not stand up and/or will be dismissed by the CPS. This can and has happened.

Know what you mean.

The difficulty is that- let's say you have an allegedly racially motivated assault- it's easy to prove an assault took place but difficult to prove the offender's motive for it. The victim may have injuries, there may be CCTV footage for example, which clearly show the offender twatting the victim. What's more difficult to prove, on the other hand, is the motivation for the assault. Unless you've got a bunch of witnesses who've heard racial abuse being used, or the offender has previous for that kind of behaviour, the motivation side is all in the head, and until we develop mind-reading technology, that's where it'll stay.

Hence in some cases the CPS will decide there's insufficient evidence to charge a racially aggravated offence, and only run with the basic offence. Likewise, the offenders solicitors advise them to admit the assault but deny the racism, as being branded racist in court (1) makes you look like even more of a bastard and (2) warrants a higher sentence than the base offence.

 

[NMH]

Is now my favourite royal, does some proper good things fit girlfriend and these things just made me laugh is that wrong

Well I wonder how many of the 'shocked, affronted' pc people giving hue and cry at Prince Harold's flippant commentary, wouldn't be saying the same or worse if they were in an army situation with 'the lads' and larking about?

Really, we are all now being barraged on tv with people on the street putting out their opinions - but not the lad he was actually talking about.

In my opinion, which is not really a great supporter of the over-privileged royal family - here's a lad who is actively putting himself in the same situations as the loyal fighters for this country's concerns, and people ought to lighten up about it (and I don't mean by putting flour on their darker faces )

 

[looney]

So if white people beat up black / ethnic minority people this is a racialist attack but what about if black / ethnic minority people beat up whites ?

they call it social justice.

 

[Safeway]

I wonder about Paki, and whether its offensive or not, if someone calls you a Brit should you be offended or is it a way that people use to describe your origin / race ? - surely Paki = someone from Pakistan, or is saying someone is from a certain country offensive

if so, should shouldn't the same be said for all other terms used such as Aussie, = from Australia, Pole = Poland or scum = Croydon?

any offensive part would be what goes in front of that word such as F@*king Paki or F@*king Brit etc, to make an insult, not the use of the word Paki or Brit as offensive or rasist terms.

What a load of old bollocks.

 

[champion7]

He goes to war like a normal bloke,
He goes clubbing like a normal bloke
He gets lashed like a normal bloke
He openly admits he shags like a normal bloke
Now it appears he talks like a normal bloke,good on him.

 

[clapham_gull]

Really, we are all now being barraged on tv with people on the street putting out their opinions - but not the lad he was actually talking about.

Well I doubt he's got the option. His father ain't too happy though....

 

[Nottseagull]

Limey derived from Britains then monopoly on the international Lime trade and was originally a sceptic tank slang term for English Sailor.

If you're talking about the white stuff used for burials and construction, then I would argue that it was because British ships were stocked with lime fruit on long voyages to ward off scurvy.

 

[Skint Gull]

What a load of old bollocks.

Dunno mate, kinda agree with that to be honest, it's all about the context

 

[Alfred the greatx]

If you're talking about the white stuff used for burials and construction, then I would argue that it was because British ships were stocked with lime fruit on long voyages to ward off scurvy.

Lemons, it was lemons that were supossed to be issued to ward of the scurvey but at one point, we were at war with everywhere that produced them in any quantity so the admirality issued limes, much to the horror of the sailors that had to eat them. The French, yanks etc thought this was funny and called us limeys because of it. Apparently like.

 

[maffew]

What about chinky? From the midlands we used to say lets order a chinky (chinese takeaway), I said it when I moved down here and people thought it was bad but it was just normal to us and not intended in a racist way at all